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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 10:01:10 GMT 9.5
Has this anything to do with Freemasonry? Is Freemasonry just relating a lost history or does it have a more unique purpose? So is the Most High an ongoing influence in Masonry? I vote for the more unique purpose ... that TMH is not 3D but rather of the variety of which Max Heindel writes about in his Masonic Legend. (Just posted it on the Bloodline thread - the story seems to be spread over 3 levels of existence).
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Post by paul on May 30, 2012 10:09:28 GMT 9.5
.... I vote for the more unique purpose ... that TMH is not 3D.. There may be various purposes within Masonry some of which relate to the Divine Plan. As for TMH: Descendeth he!
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2012 10:15:00 GMT 9.5
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Post by jackjack on Jul 23, 2012 2:37:05 GMT 9.5
The masonic ritual pulls from many religious, mystical texts; it isn't really "original". The main purpose it serves is preserving the authenticity of various teachings contained in many different mystical texts.
As to the Bible "copying" the other religions around them, need I remind you that the nations surrounding Israel were pagan and did not really have a believe in only one God? Now you might point to Teshub, Ra, Aku, etc and say that they did but that isn't so; these were merely gods that presided over a whole host of others ("elements" and "elementals" as the ancients called them) and who acted just as bad as the people that worshipped them.
So you can't really say that the Israelites "stole" other peoples' ideas of God.
Now, at this point, you might say "But what about all the simililarities between the mystery religions and the Bible? For example, what about the descent of the Egyptian god into hell? What about the story of how Hercules was put in a basket and sent downstream? What about those?"
First of all, I will say that while there are similarities between these stories, this is where the similarities end; for, if you recall, the Egyptian god who descended into hell survived and as a reward became hell's king! And if memory serves, concerning Hercules, Hercules was rescued by a priestess and served the gods for the duration of his life--but where do you find such things written in the scriptures?
For firstly, Christ, when He descended into hell, after taking away Death and Hell's keys, ASCENDED, took the others with Him, and singlehandedly CONQUERED all the powers in the heavens and in the earth. And as for Moses...while it is more then probable that he may have worshipped the Egyptians gods at one point in time, he eventually ran away from Egypt, not because he was afraid of Pharaoh's power but because he had an experience with Jehovah and it was because of this experience that led him to forsake all of the secret knowledge of Egypt and her gods in order to find Jehovah, the One and only True God.
So how can you say the Bible is a ripoff of other religions?
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Post by paul on Jul 23, 2012 7:58:42 GMT 9.5
>For firstly, Christ, when He descended into hell, after taking away Death and Hell's keys, ASCENDED, took the others with Him, and singlehandedly CONQUERED all the powers in the heavens and in the earth. Years ago, while staying in the abbey on Iona, I read one of St Augustine's sermons. In it he happily quoted Origen who referred to Jesus as a prophet, but not as a/the son of God. It seems that the divinity of Jesus was a late theological development. Origen was one of the fathers of the Church, but later it turned out that he was a heretic (hairetikos "able to choose,") and some centuries later his body was dug up and burned. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen
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Post by LorrB on Jul 23, 2012 9:02:39 GMT 9.5
Origen was one of the fathers of the Church, but later it turned out that he was a heretic (hairetikos "able to choose,") and some centuries later his body was dug up and burned. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OrigenHow very Christian of them. Surprising how often horrible things are done in the name of Love. I can only get my head around those things by remembering the words of Jesus (?), "Forgive them Father they know not what they do"
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Post by jackjack on Jul 24, 2012 7:20:52 GMT 9.5
Take away the divinity of Christ and you have no Christianity
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Post by paul on Jul 24, 2012 7:44:06 GMT 9.5
>Take away the divinity of Christ and you have no Christianity
St Augustine however took a different view. He maintained that Christianity (the one true religion) had always existed but only recently was it called that.
That argument of course also dealt with the allegation that Christianity copied the ancient religions.
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Post by paul on Aug 4, 2012 10:22:52 GMT 9.5
I think perhaps you give anger too bad a rap.
When dealing with the desperate I look for anger. It is difficult for those that have given up hope to generate enough energy to resolve their situation.
Anger is a sign that they have not succumbed to depression and may yet save themselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 1:45:42 GMT 9.5
> St Augustine however took a different view. He maintained that Christianity (the one true religion) had always existed but only recently was it called that. Paul, is the bracketed text your words, and/or those of St. Augustine?
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Post by paul on May 29, 2015 7:37:58 GMT 9.5
The presumed accurate quote of St Augustine of Hippo is: "That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist; from the beginning of the human race until the time when Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed began to be called Christianity." (Retractt. I, xiii") Of course, based on the work of Fomenko, I might well wonder if the quote is a medieval invention. chronologia.org/en/index.html
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Post by paul on Jun 1, 2015 11:14:56 GMT 9.5
>What would one expect in the aura of one like this?
I am certainly not an astrologer, but there is a very strong Scorpio influence, and Scorpio people are known for excess
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Post by boreades on Jan 14, 2019 4:01:00 GMT 9.5
Re the original post : Does masonic ritual allude to the book of Enoch
Before the megalithics could have decided where to build the henges, and which direction to face them in, there must have been many years (perhaps centuries) of careful observation of the sun, moon, planets and stars, by seriously dedicated teams of sky watchers. The tradition of “Watchers” with stone circles goes back thousands of years. It even gets special mention in the Old Testament Bible, in the Book of Enoch. Who, bless him, does his best to understand what Uriel is trying to tell him, but Enoch comes across as a confused numpty.
In the absence of any handy timepieces, the Watchers were not watching clocks, they were watching the changes in the observed position of sun rise and sun set, at that latitude. The extremes of which don't exactly coincide with the solstices. In modern terms, we would know The Shining Ones as scientific/creative genuises, and The Watchers as astronomers and surveyors.
Uriel's Machine: The Ancient Origins of Science (by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas) covers this in a very readable way. A masonic friend in NSW, Australia told me (c.2005) that Urial's Machine is recommended reading there for new masons keen to explore the hidden mysteries of nature and science. Not sure if that is still the case?
The Shining Ones, and The Watchers are descriptions that seem to occur in many places in many guises. One place that catches my eye is the Bhavagad Gita. "They who long after success in action on earth, worship the Shining Ones." (Bhavagad Gita, IV, 12.).
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Post by paul on Jan 14, 2019 5:59:36 GMT 9.5
>Uriel's Machine: The Ancient Origins of Science (by Christopher
Apparently the moon timings in Uriel's Machine only work for the latitude of the Orkneys.
The inhabitants of the Orkneys are Orkadians - Arcadians? As you may recall from "Holy Blood, Holy Grail": "et in Arcadia ego..."
>the Watchers were not watching clocks, they were watching the changes in the observed position of sun rise and sun set, at that latitude.
In the Sumerian tradition, the Watchers were the Annunaki that remained in the craft orbiting the Earth, watching what has happening on the planet.
In the Western esoteric tradition, the Silent Watcher is the planetary logos. The operation of the Earth is delegated to Sanat Kumara (the Ancient of Days). A parallel delegation occurs at the level of the solar system.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 20, 2019 10:24:35 GMT 9.5
The Annunaki were most likely space travellers and thus must have have had the technology to make observations on this planet whilst orbiting around it. They may have had some kind of relationship with the planetary logos.
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Post by boreades on Apr 13, 2019 8:46:28 GMT 9.5
The inhabitants of the Orkneys are Orkadians - Arcadians? As you may recall from "Holy Blood, Holy Grail": "et in Arcadia ego..."
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Post by shaddrackfc on Jul 20, 2022 9:50:51 GMT 9.5
Hi I’m new to this forum but thought I’d like to share something..
In the Lost Books of the Bible and Forgotten Books of Eden, if you read about Adam and how he said god took him from “light”(the garden, spiritual) to darkness(earth, seasons, temptations).. so this just occurred to me after reading this topic..
i was wondering now if the darkness Adam is talking about is the darkness we are in before we came to the peculiar system of morality? The system is the way back to the light exo and eso.
*If not a loud please delete*
Im just trying took look at things from a different angle.
-Shaddrack KT, 32°
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Post by paul on Jul 20, 2022 10:58:19 GMT 9.5
As Abraham was from Sumer, it is not surprising to find that much of Genesis is a cut-down version of Sumerian accounts The underlying problem with the lost books of the Bible is that Fomenko demonstrates that: - the OT was written after the NT, thereby allowing many useful prophecies - in the Middle Ages many books were "discovered", translated and the original lost. This was very profitable for the monasteries holding what were then unique books www.amazon.com.au/History-Fiction-Anatoly-T-Fomenko/dp/2913621023There are 6 original volumes. Wait until you get to the bit where he uses an astronomical program to date the astrological ceilings of 30 ancient tombs!
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