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Post by tamrin on Oct 30, 2011 10:37:34 GMT 9.5
"an eight year old girl who received the heart of a ten year old girl. The recipient was plagued after surgery with vivid nightmares about an attacker and a girl being murdered. After being brought to a psychiatrist her nightmares proved to be so vivid and real that the psychiatrist believed them to be genuine memories. As it turns out the ten year old whose heart she had just received was murdered and due to the recipients violent reoccurring dreams she was able to describe the events of that horrible encounter and the murderer so well that police soon apprehended, arrested, and convicted the killer. " theophanes.hubpages.com/hub/Cellular-Memories-in-Organ-Transplant-RecipientsWhose thought indeed? While it sounds like bunkum, were it a brain transplant this is just as one would expect. Oddly, there are good theoretical and neuro-physiological grounds or at least allowing the possibility in cases of heart transplants, as there are synapses in the heart. See The Heart's Little Brain.
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Post by paul on Oct 30, 2011 10:54:07 GMT 9.5
So do heart recipients risk having the thoughts of others?
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Post by tamrin on Oct 30, 2011 10:55:47 GMT 9.5
Years ago I had to move a long plank through a very confined space. There was a fellow on the other end and I was instructing him how to move to coordinate with me. I found I could not speak fast enough to convey sufficiently detailed instructions so I changed to telepathy. For each stage in the process I visualised what he should do and I found that he immediately picked up the image and carried out exactly what I intended. Five minutes later we were through without another word being spoken. Often the hands will solve a mystery that the intellect has struggled with in vain
Carl Jung Does anyone else find it odd that this weak example is the best evidence of his "telepathy" the great adept could provide? Surely from all his inter-stellar travels he should have gathered more convincing evidence.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 30, 2011 11:00:02 GMT 9.5
So do heart recipients risk having the thoughts of others? By neuro-physiological insertion: Not by telepathy! Given the relatively few synapses in the heart, I expect memories preserved there would be vague.
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Post by paul on Oct 30, 2011 12:34:56 GMT 9.5
... I expect memories preserved there would be vague. There are accounts that indicate a good deal more than vague thoughts. "The donor was an 18-year-old boy killed in an automobile accident. The recipient was an 18-year-old-girl diagnosed with endocarditis and subsequent heart failure. The donor’s father, a psychiatrist, reported: My son always wrote poetry. .... He was a musician too, and we found a song he titled “Danny, My Heart is Yours.” The words are about how my son felt he was destined to die and give his heart to someone. ..... The recipient reported: When they showed me pictures of their son, I knew him directly. I would have picked him out anywhere. He’s in me. I know he is in me and he is in love with me." The recipient's name is Danielle www.newdualism.org/nde-papers/Pearsall/Pearsall-Journal%20of%20Near-Death%20Studies_2002-20-191-206.pdf
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Post by paul on Oct 30, 2011 12:54:50 GMT 9.5
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Post by Henka on Oct 30, 2011 21:30:49 GMT 9.5
Obviously an alien put that thought in your head...
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Post by cwhite on Nov 3, 2011 4:31:08 GMT 9.5
Is anyone familiar with "Microwave Auditory Effect and Application" by James C Lynn or "The Body Electric" by Dr.Robert O. Becker?
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Post by paul on Nov 3, 2011 5:38:09 GMT 9.5
I am familiar with the existence of techniques for projecting voices directly into the brain. Such voices may well be obeyed by some.
Are there also techniques for projecting thoughts directly into the mind?
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Post by mgc on Nov 18, 2011 20:33:59 GMT 9.5
thoughts from the outside can be hard to spot, especially when alligned with your worldview. Easier r the ones that go against your moral values. different languages r also a good lead. trying to read a germans mind requires u to understand german. u can ask the person to try think in english to make u more compatible.
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Post by cwhite on Nov 19, 2011 0:10:50 GMT 9.5
Which is why we used to think in a symbolic format instead of a linguistic one? The importance of symbolism?
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Post by mgc on Nov 19, 2011 0:34:30 GMT 9.5
language is symbolism as well. these symbols r strained together to form more complex symbols which confer meaning. the form of symbolism u refer to is just another language. the importance of a world language is self evident.
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Post by paul on Nov 19, 2011 5:29:13 GMT 9.5
Thinking in words is characteristic of the lower mental subplanes. On higher planes thinking can be in terms of concepts.
Operating with symbols is easier on higher subplanes.
The higher subplanes are also more conducive to using the mind as a sense organ.
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Post by mgc on Nov 19, 2011 6:59:34 GMT 9.5
words r concepts
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Post by paul on Nov 19, 2011 7:17:07 GMT 9.5
What concept is "sol"? 720 000 000 Google hits.
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Post by mgc on Nov 19, 2011 7:26:10 GMT 9.5
what concept is the point within the circle? see? same problem. u need to know what language it is to know the concept.
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Post by paul on Nov 19, 2011 8:02:30 GMT 9.5
So the word is not the concept. It gives a direction to what may be multiple concepts. "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.' " sabian.org/looking_glass6.php
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Post by mgc on Nov 19, 2011 8:34:33 GMT 9.5
the context provided by the combination of words clarify the meaning of the individual symbols.
of course imagining a planet revolving around the sun would be a lot faster than xplaining the same thing with words, but not everything can be xplained that easily.
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Post by brandt on Nov 19, 2011 14:53:32 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Nov 21, 2011 7:56:51 GMT 9.5
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