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Post by paul on Jul 5, 2011 15:56:56 GMT 9.5
Masonry is supposed to preserve residuals of the ancient mysteries. If so there should be aspects of ritual that parallel what is known of ancient rituals.
I have already suggested that having the candidate strike the wardens may be one such.
Do any other ritual aspects come to mind?
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Post by paul on Oct 10, 2011 11:05:42 GMT 9.5
The raising and lowering of the Wardens' pillars seems to come from Mithraic ritual
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Post by paul on Oct 11, 2011 10:46:22 GMT 9.5
Mithras is assisted by Cautes and Cautopates who appear as smaller versions of Mithras himself. The Masonic equivalent may be the Wardens.  One holds his torch down and the other holds his up. This thought to represent the rising and setting sun. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cautes_and_CautopatesIs that why Masons are taught to be Cautious? |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2011 11:37:38 GMT 9.5
I have always understood that when the lodge is 'closed' the Jnr Warden (representing Intellect?) is 'in charge' or operating. That is, our normal waking day.
When the Snr Warden's column is upstanding, then the Soul is guiding us. The Soul (Snr Warden) also closes 'the lodge', both at the end of a day when we sleep and at death.
Note that the Soul obeys the command of the Spirit... and only after seein that every brother .....
Is it coincidence that this command by the Spirit is conveyed by an officer stationed on the dark side of the lodge? When our chattering minds are at rest, via the subconscious maybe?
The imagery of the risen sun and the sun that has set might be seen to convey this message. That both the Sun and the Snr Warden repeat these actions constantly might remind us that .. another day will dawn and another life will await us.
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Post by paul on Oct 11, 2011 12:00:08 GMT 9.5
It could be that the SW raises his/her pillar so that the Light can flow easily from E to W.
If so, at the close the raising of the JW pillar presumably allows the Light to flow from N to S. What light would that be?
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2011 13:28:08 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2011 13:47:57 GMT 9.5
That link might go a ways to explain several of the penalties.
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Post by paul on Oct 11, 2011 14:20:29 GMT 9.5
I am not sure that is such a useful site. Daath is more like a doorway to the temple above.
Speaking somewhat metaphorically, one might say that when the SW's pillar is up the brethren are looking for the light of the Sun(s) and when the JW's pillar is up the brethren engage with the light of the World.
That account is not exactly correct but still a useful concept.
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Post by Henka on Oct 11, 2011 14:43:54 GMT 9.5
Da'ath does not exist. That's the whole point! "Da'ath" means "knowledge" and the whole point is that there is no such thing as knowledge. Da'ath is an extraordinarily useful concept for dealing with this. Everything we think of as knowledge is really a relationship between facts. It's all circular definition. We can't define anything without using other terms which need definition, probably based on the term we are trying to use them to define! Only experience busts us out of this loop. We must experience a thing directly, not learn about it. You can have the experience of the reality of God, or you can have knowledge (facts) about God. Not both. Each precludes the other. BTW this shouldn't be taken as a disparagement of knowledge. It's our primary tool for dealing with things on the intellectual plane. |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2011 14:51:44 GMT 9.5
Speaking somewhat metaphorically, one might say that when the SW's pillar is up the brethren are looking for the light of the Sun(s) and when the JW's pillar is up the brethren engage with the light of the World. More or less what I said ;D Dicky site huh? I just typed in Daath and that is what come up first. The dark side of the lodge reminds me of that which is the other side of the Abyss. Dark, of course, not meaning anything negative, rather as something beyond our ability to comprehend at our current level. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 17:06:18 GMT 9.5
We must experience a thing directly, not learn about it. You can have the experience of the reality of God, or you can have knowledge (facts) about God. Not both. Each precludes the other. BTW this shouldn't be taken as a disparagement of knowledge. It's our primary tool for dealing with things on the intellectual plane. Spot on. |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 12, 2011 8:10:38 GMT 9.5
It has been my experience that when I experience something directly and share it with others I am ridiculed.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 12, 2011 8:11:24 GMT 9.5
But it doesn't stop me from trying to spread the good news  |
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Post by paul on Oct 12, 2011 9:14:32 GMT 9.5
It has been my experience that when I experience something directly and share it with others I am ridiculed. Perhaps those who, in the absence of experience are left with rational speculation, are confronted by the possibility that their position might not be enviable after all. |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 14, 2011 14:01:16 GMT 9.5
This is rather interesting. Freemasonry from India. Abraham the Israelite father of mankind, and Hiram of the Freemasons, are one and the same, and both are based upon serpent worshippers with Indian Naga or serpent deity backgrounds. A grand statement, but one that I am not alone in making.
Flavious Josephus said in his History of the Jews:
“These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani.”
Megasthenes, sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, also said that the Jews were called “Kalani” and that they were an Indian tribe.
Clearchus of Soli said:
“The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called Jerusalem.” |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 14, 2011 14:06:06 GMT 9.5
Further.. Abraham/Sara and A-Brahma/Saraisvati If Abraham as the father of the Jewish race is therefore a legendary figure of India, then who is he? And did he exist at all? It’s time to upset traditionalists.
The obvious person for an Indian Abraham is Brahma (A-Brahma) who just happens to have a consort and sister named Saraisvati [1] which is amazingly similar to the name of the Biblical Abraham’s wife - Sarai. Indeed Abraham is said to have learned his trade in Ur (the ‘Ur of the Chaldees’ in the Bible said to be in ancient Sumer), which is very close to the Persian border being en-route to India.
It is also a fact that the name of Brahma spread throughout this entire area so much so, that the Persians even adopted him as one of their deities. So, the very area where Abraham is said to have learned his priestly trade is the very area that the Indian Brahma was being spread and worshipped. What more can we find within this area of the Chaldees?
The Chaldeans were called Kaul-Deva, and they were a priestly caste living in among other places, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Pakistan. (Kaul-Deva meaning the Shining Calani, hence these were enlightened Shining Ones, a group going back to ancient Sumeria and outlined in my book The Shining Ones).
So Abraham/Brahma learned his trade among the Chaldees, who were a priestly caste related to the Indian sub-continent and were the Shining priesthood or enlightened souls. In this respect then Abraham was simply a title given to the high priest or Lord of the sect of Brahma. But if, like in ancient Egypt, he needed to duplicate the life of the gods, then he too would have needed a wife/sister. The fact that Saraisvati was both Brahma’s consort and sister, also relates to the Biblical account of Abraham.
“But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.” (Genesis 20:12.)
www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/masonserpent.html
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Post by LorrB on Oct 14, 2011 14:19:06 GMT 9.5
Funs with names from the link above... Did you know that the ancient Egyptian designation for Osiris was Asar or Azar?
Did you know that in the Koran (6.75) one finds that Abraham's father was called Azar (Osiris)?
And in Luke 16: 22-25 "Lazarus himself rested in the bosom of Abraham.
Ismael is Ish-Maal in Hebrew, and in Sanskrit, Ish-Mahal means 'Great Siva'.
Isaac in Ishaak in Hebrew, and Ishakhu in Sanskrit which means 'Friend of Siva'.
Ab Ram means 'exalted snake'.
Returning to Hiram we find that the name Hir-Am actually means ‘exalted head of the people:’ (Hir = Head, exalted, Am = people) and is closely related to Abraham (Ab Hir Am).
However, it also has another and more telling meaning.
Ahi-Ram actually means ‘exalted snake.’ So, in either meaning Hiram was the ‘exalted head’ or ‘snake,’ both meanings being paramount to the discovery of the thread of the snake cult and religious underlying beliefs - the mixture of the opposites within one‘s own head as shown in The Serpent Grail. |
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Post by paul on Oct 15, 2011 8:34:53 GMT 9.5
Asar was raised by the Lord of Life (Horus - son of the widow Isis)
Lazarus was raised by Jesus.
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Post by Henka on Oct 16, 2011 2:17:00 GMT 9.5
Ahi-Ram actually means ‘exalted snake.’ So, in either meaning Hiram was the ‘exalted head’ or ‘snake,’ both meanings being paramount to the discovery of the thread of the snake cult and religious underlying beliefs - the mixture of the opposites within one‘s own head as shown in The Serpent Grail. Or "Shining Serpent," which is how I interpret it. Ahi-Ram Naga is my true name, my Craft name. The serpent knowledge relates to the Kundalini within us. |
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 16, 2011 5:22:21 GMT 9.5
The serpent knowledge relates to the Kundalini within us. Henka, if you dont mind me asking, but I am assuming that you have enjoyed the experience of Kundalini growth and movement, but how did it feel to you when it first began to rise? What about subsequent times? How did you feel when it touched your throat for the first time, and also your head? Just being nosey  |
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