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Post by LorrB on Apr 28, 2012 19:49:34 GMT 9.5
Good point... Which is more important...the knocks or the intention? I must admit that in my lodge the knocks can be .... Out of sync...? But when I hear them in the male craft they are performed with more military precision and they provoke an internal response which I find hard to explain.
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Post by paul on Apr 28, 2012 20:06:59 GMT 9.5
...,performed with more military precision ... Rhythmically precise?
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Post by LorrB on Apr 29, 2012 10:40:47 GMT 9.5
yes
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Post by paul on Apr 29, 2012 11:26:46 GMT 9.5
So what is the nature of the rhythms and how do they impact the inner worlds?
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Post by LorrB on Apr 30, 2012 8:05:29 GMT 9.5
I have no idea. Harmonics I am guessing.
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Post by LorrB on Apr 30, 2012 8:25:22 GMT 9.5
Ah-ha! Harmoncs reminded me of Richard Gerber, MD, the author of the 1988 book, Vibrational Medicine: New Choices for Healing Ourselves... each part or our body has its own unique vibrational signature, just like colours and sounds. The vibrational approach, especially the subtle energy medicine approach, works by injecting selective frequencies of energy into the body that encourage the body’s own self-healing systems to do the work.
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Vibrational medicine is the first scientific approach I’ve seen that is able to integrate science and spirituality, something which has unfortunately been left out of the medical model. It’s only by viewing the body as a multi-dimensional energy system that we begin to approach how the soul manifests through molecular biology, if you will. tyG
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Post by paul on Apr 30, 2012 8:50:40 GMT 9.5
. ... each part or our body has its own unique vibrational signature..... Try the knocks for the 3 degrees and see if different areas of the body respond. It might take a bit of practice.
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Post by paul on Jul 31, 2012 9:52:06 GMT 9.5
Any reports or alarms?
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Post by LorrB on Aug 6, 2012 8:33:37 GMT 9.5
Chooey ... ever noticed how visitors to a forum increase hugely if there is a giant spat going on? It can become a 'feeding' frenzy.
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Post by choochoo808 on Aug 7, 2012 0:26:04 GMT 9.5
I suppose so, yes. I don't understand this, however:
Chalk, charcoal and clay. “No substance. No heat. Not a trace.”
What is the connection between a MM wielding the elements and people causing/feeding off of drama?
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Post by choochoo808 on Aug 7, 2012 0:31:49 GMT 9.5
Also, I'm beginning to think that there's a certain amount of "emperor's new clothes" in the mix...
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Post by Henka on Aug 7, 2012 1:51:37 GMT 9.5
Also, I'm beginning to think that there's a certain amount of "emperor's new clothes" in the mix... You think?
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Post by paul on Oct 3, 2012 12:41:22 GMT 9.5
What forces of nature can a MM wield? This is an excellent question that was somewhat lost in the discussion. The question however seems to imply that the (true) MM stands outside the forces to be wielded. Further, the forces may not wish to be wielded, being embedded in a greater plan and a greater intelligence. Stepping on to the square the apprentice starts the process by working to harmonise his/her inner processes. The work of harmonisation is not well reflected in the stone-working allegory but is more clearly seen in the practice of fellowship - both internal and external.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 4, 2012 5:00:02 GMT 9.5
And my opinion is if we look at what a first person status can gain, we might be missing the reason for the journey Said it before and I am saying it again - wise worrds foxfires.
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Post by paul on Oct 4, 2012 7:38:18 GMT 9.5
>if we look at what a first person status can gain, we might be missing the reason for the journey
hence the proposition of the forces (and therefore the initiate) being embedded in a greater scheme.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 4, 2012 9:07:04 GMT 9.5
I think this post can be related to the thread on humility. Stepnwolf, can you see a Piece of Architecture (lodge talk) in the post above? I particularly like the bit about being here to be tested and pushed beyond the usual limit. About the only thing that comes anywhere near close to making sense of life here on Earth.
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Post by paul on Nov 8, 2012 12:56:36 GMT 9.5
The other day in lodge I was called upon to demonstrate some of the esoteric aspects of the EA signs. So I had the EAs and interested brethren stand with the feet in the form of a s... and move the right h... progressively to the position of the f... reg... s.
I was pleased that one of the EAs and several brethren were able to feel the change in their head energies as the h... moved into position.
Then we tried the Dieu/Due Garde in various positions and again one of the EAs and several brethren could feel it most strongly around the heart. (One brother felt the DG more strongly at the solar plexus)
The practice (especially the conscious practice) of the signs helps establish some of the energy preconditions for perception of the genuine secrets.
The genuine secrets are of course not limited to suitable Freemasons but may be consciously acquired by any human that meets the inner and outer preconditions.
If so, then by implication some of the genuine secrets may be acquired but not necessarily recognised as such. Those who work closely with nature are likely to make significant progress but often without a conceptual framework by which to understand their progress.
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Post by paul on Nov 20, 2012 10:08:23 GMT 9.5
I have been wondering whether the peculiar system of morality veiled in allegory is actually part of the genuine secrets.
Now some argue that the morality of Masonry is well known so that the veiling in allegory is to provide a richer presentation. I do not find that a particularly convincing argument. It could be like saying: I have found no genuine secrets therefore there are no genuine secrets.
I noticed elsewhere a quote from Albert Mackey where he is very clear that it is a Science of Morality.
If it is a science then it should have some tools that can be used to apply that science of morality, and of course we are taught that such tools exist, veiled by the tools of a stone mason.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 20, 2012 13:53:24 GMT 9.5
What does Albert Mackey say about the Science of Morality (short version of course)? Does he give examples or instructions?
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Post by paul on Nov 20, 2012 14:09:15 GMT 9.5
Mackey uses the phrase "science of morality" 6 times in his The Symbolism of Freemasonry and the phrase "system of morality" only once. "The definition of Freemasonry that it is "a science of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols," has been so often quoted, that, were it not for its beauty, it would become wearisome. But this definition contains the exact principle that has just been enunciated. Freemasonry is a science—a philosophy—a system of doctrines which is taught, in a manner peculiar to itself, by allegories and symbols. This is its internal character. Its ceremonies are external additions, which affect not its substance." www.gutenberg.org/files/11937/11937-h/11937-h.htmThis is of interest from various points of view: - why was Masonic science no longer emphasised in the 20th century? - the rituals are external additions to Masonry - what is the system of doctrines that predates the ritual? Now it is possible to argue that Mackey writing in 1882 did not mean science as we mean it but I am not sure that that is consistent with the Masonic teaching about the moral (non-physical) use of working tools. And as far as I know Mackey does not give any examples of use of a moral science. An example of moral science is the Qabalah
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