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Post by paul on Apr 2, 2012 9:32:23 GMT 9.5
One of the blessings of Masonry is the use of functional terms such as Great Architect of the Universe.
By using that term we bypass our beliefs about gods and religion and address the Existence that manifested (as) the Universe in which we live.
Having made our peace with the GAOTU we may safely agree that each should pursue their own religion or spirituality allowing the processes of right living and right relationship to clarify human beliefs.
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Post by Henka on Apr 4, 2012 0:13:46 GMT 9.5
One of the blessings of Masonry is the use of functional terms such as Great Architect of the Universe. By using that term we bypass our beliefs about gods and religion and address the Existence that manifested (as) the Universe in which we live. Having made our peace with the GAOTU we may safely agree that each should pursue their own religion or spirituality allowing the processes of right living and right relationship to clarify human beliefs. I can agree with that 100%. ;D
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Post by brandt on Apr 6, 2012 13:45:48 GMT 9.5
Not seeing slaughter in the Bible could be nothing more than blindness or willful ignorance. I don't care. If you get more mileage out of Christian supremacy that is cool by me. Just don't act like you are doing something beyond that. My bigotometer is ringing.
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Post by paul on Apr 20, 2012 10:31:42 GMT 9.5
Returning to the secrets, there seem to me to be preparatory stages in Masonry.
The EA is expected to rise to higher standards of morality and virtue. An expression of this is establishing right relationship with humans and with the rest of Nature. Having made his/her peace with the rest of Nature (locally) then Nature will admit him/her to some of the hidden mysteries of nature (and therefore science).
The work of the FC is the study of the hidden mysteries of nature and science but this is rarely attempted in a systematic approach but left to a slower process of increased apprehension.
If there is significant progress into the hidden mysteries of nature and science then access or leverage opportunities become apparent and the MM is able to wield some of the forces of nature and hence enters into aspects of the genuine secrets.
If the above statements are true, then who has advanced past being an EA?
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Post by choochoo808 on Apr 20, 2012 23:27:26 GMT 9.5
What forces of nature can a MM wield?
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Post by Henka on Apr 21, 2012 0:54:49 GMT 9.5
What forces of nature can a MM wield? Chalk, charcoal and clay. Among others.
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Post by choochoo808 on Apr 21, 2012 2:08:01 GMT 9.5
Per usual, I am lost. Cannot anyone wield those?
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Post by Henka on Apr 21, 2012 4:01:24 GMT 9.5
Per usual, I am lost. Cannot anyone wield those? Hee, hee.
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Post by Henka on Apr 21, 2012 4:04:26 GMT 9.5
Chalk, Charcoal & Clay A Master Mason spoke to a group of four Entered Apprentices he was teaching: “You’ve been contemplating the chalk, charcoal and clay with which our ancient brethren served their masters. You understand that these represent certain attitudes or states of mind. What else do you understand?” The first EA said: “That with charcoal we can ignite the Blazing Star of Truth.” The MM replied: “Your apprenticeship is indeed fervent. How about someone else?” The second EA said: “That chalk also alludes to the designs of the Master.” The MM replied: “That is some crafty work. Someone else?” The third EA said: “That we should make our minds like clay, soft and pliable by which to form vessels and molds.” “Almost a masterpiece.” replied the MM, who then turned to the last EA and asked, “What can you add?” The fourth EA said: “No substance. No heat. Not a trace.” The MM smiled and nodded.
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Post by stewartedwards on Apr 21, 2012 17:52:53 GMT 9.5
Paul, after some thought I am gong to take a bite at this Returning to the secrets, there seem to me to be preparatory stages in Masonry. The EA is expected to rise to higher standards of morality and virtue. An expression of this is establishing right relationship with humans and with the rest of Nature. Having made his/her peace with the rest of Nature (locally) then Nature will admit him/her to some of the hidden mysteries of nature (and therefore science). This is indeed true, though most people would think it barmy. It is a very subtle thing and even when people begin to see the evidence for it, as we have seen on this forum before, the ridicule, disbelief, etc starts. That said for anyone who has either achieved this, or like me bumbled and stumbled my way across it, it is a beautiful thing, though it can take many years of subsequent reflection to fully grasp the moment. Now as you know Paul, this is an area that I have delved into and found its beauty in the drudgery of everyday mundane life that surrounds us all. but I ask you if this is truly the work of the FC Mason, why do so few masons (that I have interacted with anyway) seem to give it any thought at all? Often masons look at you like an idiot for even suggesting that such things are a part of masonry or should be investigated, even though it is in the second. I realise that a big part of the masonic world seems to like to distance itself from such things, so why then have it in the second? While you are thinking you are going insane and fretting over personal responsibility to wield such power, and thinking of possible assassination, kidnapping, torturing etc consequences from those who would rather that such things remain hidden. Sticking your head up at this level, could hurt. Most likely, however the forces of nature to such a person may be different to the forces of nature that most people perceive. Certainly at my own level of understanding, however poor or progressed that may be, we are not talking about generating winds to blow houses down, but the very energy fabric of the planet - I suppose a bit like in Avatar when Jake talks to Aiwa. Paul you know better than me that your statements are indeed true, and you will also know that relatively few people are anywhere near feeling the force to use star wars terminology. Paul I realise that due to me bumbling and stumbling my way into this, instead of going through a system such as masonry (in this lifetime anyway), my own understandings are limited as I lack the comprehensive ground training that most would have from going through the degree rituals etc, but while I do hope that there is a core group of people who are sufficiently skilled and responsible to aid this planets evolution out of puberty, I do wonder at times. Funnily enough I am about a third way through my second novel exploring such issues, and involving a Lodge of Light in Oxford. FYI the first was based in Guam at the Dragons Triangle, and this one is based in Antarctica, the next will be on Kilimanjaro, before moving on to China etc. My first one took me 5 years to write the first half and a month for the second, this one is just flowing out of me. So I am making hay while the sun shines. Funny how you bring this topic up at the precise time I am novelising it for Kindle
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Post by paul on Apr 21, 2012 19:53:03 GMT 9.5
I realise that a big part of the masonic world seems to like to distance itself from such things, so why then have it in the second? Continental Masonry seems to have preserved much more of the inner aspects than the London brethren of 1717. The forces of nature exist on all the planes of existence. Manifestations close to the physical plane may not be the most important. The profound levels of existence have moved and are continuing to do so. The lower levels align later - being fed from above. I suppose you are familiar with the account of Antarctica in the Harbinson books www.inkdigital.org/harbinson/project.htm and a similar account here www.4shared.com/document/89fgD865/Base_New_Berlin_2.htmlA good sign indeed.
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Post by stewartedwards on Apr 21, 2012 20:30:04 GMT 9.5
Paul you have posted this before iirc, but beyond reading the webpage I havent gone much further. One of the many strands through this series of books is how the main character finds ancient crystals which are used to aid humanity but which have lain in slumber hidden for millenia. Some hidden for protection, some by those who feared them/failed in their efforts to use them for dark purposes. However I am not focusing on Nazi's and legends surrounding them, so while there are ufos, it is not those developed from Nazi technologies. That all said the Nazi energies are still present in society today, perhaps most topically in the USA where the news recently reported that the American Nazi party has applied to be an official lobbyist at the White house/Congress wherever they do it. Given that the Americans reputedly took Nazi technologies and scientists at the close of WW2 I suppose the energetic thread was inevitable. Bet it causes some to pause for thought in the White House/FBI/NSA though. Paul, in my books, there is no way Darkness will win the day, though it will be respected and balanced to enable the return of maat for everyones benefit. Clearly being at a loss as to how to use my knowledge to make a living, I am fortunate to be able to write these books and get them instantly published. Some who read them might get some nuggets of wisdom here and there, some may enjoy the adventure, and as the decades pass they may or may not have a degree of influence. But the books are showing how this planets energy grid can be strengthened, how people can explore the hidden mysteries at an individual level, and how the human race can leave puberty. And the masonic world are good guys (in case anyone wondered), though they dont really come into it until a bit further down the line. I have had some fun creating and developing my Oxford Lodge of Light, wouldn't it be neat if there really were such a thing!! The energies are certainly there. Anyhow Paul enough about what I am doing, I just find it fascinating that you post was very pertinent to what I have been immersed with for a few weeks now, albeit fictionally.
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Post by Henka on Apr 21, 2012 23:13:03 GMT 9.5
Nazi energies "particularly in the USA?" You have GOT to be kidding me. Have you slipped your moorings? You foreigners have a really skewed idea of what it is really like here from the news. Remember, news is PROPAGANDA. I have lived for 52 years, have traveled extensively both here and abroad, and have yet to see one live, breathing neo-nazi. I saw a couple of KKK guys once when I was younger, everyone thought they were blithering idiots.
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Post by Henka on Apr 21, 2012 23:16:52 GMT 9.5
If I went by the news, I would think all Brits are freeloading socialists, and all Aussies are freeloading drunkards.
See how that works?
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Post by stewartedwards on Apr 22, 2012 0:57:35 GMT 9.5
Nazi energies "particularly in the USA?" You have GOT to be kidding me. Have you slipped your moorings? You foreigners have a really skewed idea of what it is really like here from the news. Remember, news is PROPAGANDA. Henka Applogies if I upset you. But if it does happen you can in time naturally expect more natzi energy becoming more influential in Washington. Will it make a hoot of a difference who knows? I suppose it depends on how influential the natzi party is in your nation/what its aspirations are/how much money it has. Will American Freedom allow the Natzi party togain official lobbyist status? If they get it will they be able to cultivate influence? Most of my opinions on America are based on:- 1. BBC news/European Union News (clearly may not all be accurate) 2. Relatives who are american citizens, one a Brit who married in, and her children who were born american. One serves in your military. Apart from that my only first hand experience is with the few Americans I have met, whether when I practiced karate (funnily enough he was one of the first people to take a serious interest in what I was doing on the masonic web/in the world), or when I visited your IRS at the Embassy.
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Post by Henka on Apr 22, 2012 4:59:43 GMT 9.5
To my knowledge, and I cover politics extensively, there is no such thing as a Nazi party here. There are only a few nut-jobs running around and a gang or two. Anyone can apply to be a lobbyist, I could tomorrow if I so choose. It doesn't mean anyone will listen to you.
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Post by paul on Apr 22, 2012 5:40:34 GMT 9.5
It may be of interest to compare the actions of the German Nazis as they progressively controlled the German population in the 1930s to the actions of the US government since 9/11.
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Post by paul on Apr 22, 2012 8:14:03 GMT 9.5
Returning to the genuine secrets, I expect that most brethren have noticed that sometimes the knocks are given too slowly and sometimes too quickly.
What is the nature of the wrongness of the slow knocks?
Are the fast knocks wrong for the same reason? Or is there a different dimension to the wrongness?
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Post by LorrB on Apr 23, 2012 10:15:54 GMT 9.5
If I went by the news, I would think all Brits are freeloading socialists, and all Aussies are freeloading drunkards. See how that works? ;D good wines are hard to ignore, but they can be expensive. Did you know that they pickle bodies in alcohol to preserve them, my longevity plan is to pickle myself now from the inside out... I should live forever ;D ;D
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Post by paul on Apr 27, 2012 17:38:19 GMT 9.5
"It might be pointed out that:
Each secret concerns one or other of the seven great planes of the solar system."
These are directed by the Seven Masons Who make a lodge perfect that appear in the Revelation of St John as the Seven Spirits before the throne of God.
Do the Seven Masons hear the knocks? Do we need to intend that they do in order to make the connection?
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