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Post by LorrB on May 2, 2011 13:05:59 GMT 9.5
In this case I used direct observation to explore what I had discovered in the Mayan tradition. The Mayans are interesting.. did you know that they call the Pleiades the seedbed of their civilisation? Alcyone is part of the Pleiades (and the Sun that our Sun orbits) and said to be the source of photon energy. One of the hidden rivers ? As an aside - Alcyone is translated as Al Wasat in Arabic and means The Central One. The Babylonians referred to it as Temennu which means The Foundation Stone. Al - Cyon = The Centre (Cyon sounds like Sion/Zion ?) |
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Post by LorrB on May 2, 2011 13:17:01 GMT 9.5
Is the sign of the Enclosed Sun Cross a reference to both the Four Rivers and Navel of the Sea, the Centre. Which makes 5. The Enclosed Sun Cross
David Talbot (The Saturn Myth, Doubleday, NY, 1980) notes in Chapter 6 The Enclosed Sun Cross, the sign as occurring in many nations from Egypt through the Middle East to India and China; from Crete to Scandinavia; from Alaska to South America.
The enclosed sun cross appears to represent the four rivers of paradise. The Bible refers to this as the river which went out from Eden and parted into four heads. Tradition has it that the four rivers flowed in opposite directions. The tradition is found among the Navaho Indian narration of the Age of Beginnings. This tradition is also found in the story of the Chinese Paradise of Kwen-lun. The four rivers also appear in the Hindu Rig Veda, and the Vishnu Purana identifies the four streams as the paradise of Brahma at the world summit. They, too, flow in four directions (Talbot, ibid.). This story is found among the Iranian myths concerning the central font of Ardi Sura, and is the Sea of Life of the Siberian Kalmuks. The Mandaeans of Iraq maintain the same tradition as Genesis; as the Babylonians also spoke of the Land of the Four Rivers.
The home of the Greek goddess Calypso, in the navel of the sea, also had the central fountain from which four streams emanated in opposite directions.
The Scandinavian Edda speaks of the origin of the world’s waters in the spring Hvergelmir in the land of the gods. The Slavs had them originate from the magic stone Alatuir in the island paradise of Bonyan. Talbot notes that Brinton finds the four mystic rivers among the Sioux, Aztecs and Maya as Fornander discovered them in Polynesian myth (Talbot, p. 121).
Few, if any, of the nations possessing the memory can point to any geographical source of the imagery. Thus, when the Babylonians invoke Ishtar as Lady, Queen of the land of the Four Rivers of Erech, or when the Egyptian text at Dendera celebrate the four Niles at Elephantine, the imagery is of an ancient mythology with no actual reality in the geography surrounding them. Talbot holds that the reason for the disparity between the mythical and terrestrial landscapes is that the four rivers flowed, not on our earth, but through the four quarters of the polar "homeland" (Talbot, p. 121). Talbot (ibid.) holds that for every dominant myth there are corresponding signs. The sign of the four rivers is the sun cross and the enclosed sun cross, the latter sign illuminating the former by showing that the four streams belong to the primeval enclosure. Issuing from the polar center (i.e., the central sun), the four rivers flow to the four corners of Saturn’s Earth (emphasis added).
Thus, the concept embodied in the Genesis story (Gen. 2:10), whilst having a specific geography attributed to the four rivers, also represents a basic theme of the rivers of living water which flowed from the central source which was God through His morning star which at that time was Satan.
Thus, the central source which supplied the lands of Africa as well as the Tigris and Euphrates had a spiritual significance which has been attributed to the Babylonian religious system down to Ishtar and on to the Egyptians as well as throughout the world via shamanism as it was developed from the central system. The Babylonian system was, in essence, Animism (see Budge Babylonian Life and History, 2nd ed., London, 1925).
Thus to the ancients, the four corners of the world had a specific cosmological meaning which referred not to geography but to the map of the celestial kingdom. Talbot quotes O’Neill as one of the few scholars to recognise this quality of the mythical "four corners".
It results from any full study of the myths symbolism and nomenclature of the Four Quarters that these directions were viewed in the strict orthodoxy of heavens mythology, not as the NSEW of every spot whatever, but four heaven-divisions spread out around the "pole".
The sun-cross ... as the symbol of the four quarters, belongs to the central sun. In sacred cosmography the central position of the sun god often becomes the "fifth" direction. To understand such language, it is convenient to think of the mythical "directions" (or arms of the cross) as motions or flows of energy. From the great god the elements of life flow in four directions. The god himself, who embodies all the elements, is "firm," "steadfast," or "resting"; his fifth motion is that of rotation while standing in one place.
The "directions" can also be conceived as regions: the central (fifth) region and the four quarters spaced around it.
This is why the Pythagoreans regarded the number five as a representative of the fixed world axis. The Pythagorean idea clearly corresponds with the older Hindu symbolism of the directions. In addition to the standard four directions, Hindu doctrine knows a fifth, called the "fixed direction" the polar center (Talbot, pp. 122-123).
Talbot also identifies this idea with China and also in Mexican Nahuatl symbolism with five as the number of the centre (ibid.).
Thus, we are dealing with a very serious form of idolatry in the symbolism of the cross as a representation here of sun worship.
It must also be recalled that this process of the four divisions of the celestial system is represented not only by the division of Israel into the four groups of three tribes around the tabernacle as typified by Numbers 10. It must also be understood that the very symbols used to denote these tribes, such as the Bull (of Ephraim), the Lion (of Judah), the Serpent/Eagle (of Dan) and the Aquarian Man of Reuben, are themselves representative of the divisional symbols of the Covering Cherubs of God’s Government, represented in Revelation 4:7-9. These Lion-headed, Bull-headed, Eagle-headed and Man-headed creatures are the four archangels, the Seraphim or Covering Cherubs of God’s Government. Thus, by the appropriation of the symbolism to sun worship, we are seeking to transfer the centrality of the authority of God the Father to the Man-headed Cherub who was Azazel, now Satan. The sun cross is, thus, the symbol of the rebellion. This cross symbolism is then transferred into various aspects of idolatry and is then imported into Christianity with further idolatrous consequence.
www.logon.org/english/s/p039.html
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Post by LorrB on May 2, 2011 13:19:47 GMT 9.5
Just emphasizing part of the above post... The sun-cross ... as the symbol of the four quarters, belongs to the central sun. In sacred cosmography the central position of the sun god often becomes the "fifth" direction. To understand such language, it is convenient to think of the mythical "directions" (or arms of the cross) as motions or flows of energy. From the great god the elements of life flow in four directions. The god himself, who embodies all the elements, is "firm," "steadfast," or "resting"; his fifth motion is that of rotation while standing in one place.
The "directions" can also be conceived as regions: the central (fifth) region and the four quarters spaced around it.
This is why the Pythagoreans regarded the number five as a representative of the fixed world axis. |
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Post by Henka on May 2, 2011 15:24:57 GMT 9.5
You likely ran across a reference to him and didn't remember it consciously, Is there any evidence for this hypothesis? It's how our brain processes things. |
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Post by Henka on May 2, 2011 15:27:02 GMT 9.5
Sitchin was not a Sumerian linguistic expert, Actually if you read my posts, Sitchin had nothing to do with what I was discussing. In this case I used direct observation to explore what I had discovered in the Mayan tradition. Perhaps Sitchin is worth his own thread. He, along with Von Daniken, popularized the "ancient astronaut" theory. |
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Post by paul on May 2, 2011 16:45:27 GMT 9.5
It's how our brain processes things. Is there no other brain process? Is that the same for all humans? |
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Post by LorrB on May 3, 2011 8:43:14 GMT 9.5
The god himself, who embodies all the elements, is "firm," "steadfast," or "resting"; his fifth motion is that of rotation while standing in one place.
Which can be illustration using the Hindu sacred symbol, the Swastika.  The word swastika came from the Sanskrit word svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. It is composed of su- meaning "good, well" and asti "to be" svasti thus means "well-being." The suffix -ka either forms a diminutive or intensifies the verbal meaning, and svastika might thus be translated literally as "that which is associated with well-being," corresponding to "lucky charm" or "thing that is auspicious."
hinduism.about.com/od/artculture/ig/Sacred-Symbols-of-Hinduism/Symbol---Swastika.htm
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Post by mgc on May 3, 2011 9:00:13 GMT 9.5
nice site debunking bad translations..
sitchin needs stitchin'
i bet he never got any good replies to his open letter?
light?
the pentagram is 1 of natures cornerstones, just like the hexagon, square, triangle, platonic solids etc.. r the other cornerstones also linked to universal laws like the pentagram (reputedly) is? what laws does a hexagon represent?
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Post by LorrB on May 3, 2011 11:37:38 GMT 9.5
Sitchin is usually lumped in with Velikovsky (another personal hero  . He was ridiculed and sites set up to debunk him also.) Did you know.. …. implies that the bizarre theoretical extrapolations of General Relativity and the Big Bang Theory, such as "black holes", nonEuclidean space, and the "expanding universe" are no more than elements of some scientists' imaginations. Einstein himself was openly critical of General Relativity as "it did not include the total field (electric and magnetic) ".(7) It is apparent that this was related to his interest in Velikovsky's work, although neither lived long enough to resolve the issue.
…. This was why Einstein was so interested in electrical findings of Velikovsky.
Read more about the collective fear of Velikovsky (and others?) here www.tmgnow.com/repository/cometary/ori6.html |
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Post by mgc on May 4, 2011 0:54:15 GMT 9.5
im aware we still dont know everything yet.. i do know that a rotating ball of ferous material generates a magnetic field.. reputedly this rotation (and heat) is the legacy of the forces that shape solarsystems.. gravity, imo, plays a crucial role in that process.. i agree that the presence of a large moon would prolly help to keep the core at temperature due to tidal forces, and that the lack of 1 may have caused mars's core to solidify much sooner (although its size prolly is an even larger factor)..
magnetic reversals happen on irregular intervals.. the longest period the earths magnetic poles were stable is (far as i know) 40 milion years.. this alone would be enough to question comets as a source of magnetic reversal, but to boot, comets have been found to consist largely of ice, not metal..
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Post by paul on May 4, 2011 8:18:26 GMT 9.5
a rotating ball of ferous material generates a magnetic field. Unfortunately the magnetic fields of planets generally do not line up with their axes of rotation. The worst is Neptune "Neptune's magnetic field is tilted 47° from the planet's rotation axis and is offset at least 0.55 radii, about 8,500 mi (13,500 km) from the physical center." The theory would be more satisfactory if there were planets that did not require "must be" adaptations of the theory. |
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Post by mgc on May 4, 2011 22:15:14 GMT 9.5
the offset could be caused by the conductive qualities of the liquid surrounding the core.. earth has something similar: a second field generated by the mantel.. could the 47 degree tilt imply that the core and outher layers dont rotate the same way?
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Post by paul on May 5, 2011 5:46:22 GMT 9.5
It would be nice to have a theory that occasionally made an accurate prediction.
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Post by Henka on May 5, 2011 12:58:49 GMT 9.5
It would be nice to have a theory that occasionally made an accurate prediction. Lets hear yours. |
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Post by paul on May 5, 2011 13:45:26 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on May 5, 2011 14:25:02 GMT 9.5
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. He was ridiculed and sites set up to debunk him also.)