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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2013 13:30:06 GMT 9.5
I suspect that Noah's ark is another example of veiled in allegory. It is hard to see that all those species of animal could have fitted in or even needed to. The unicorn apparently could not fit: The Talmud in Zevachim 113b mentions an animal called “Orzila” in Aramaic, which is considered the same as the great horned mammal known as “Re’em” .... The Talmud says that this animal was too large to fit into Noah’s ark, but survived the Flood by grasping onto the ark with it’s horn. www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-date/2009/12/?p=3555
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2013 13:55:41 GMT 9.5
I thought that was Og.
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2013 14:04:29 GMT 9.5
It seems that Og (gigantic) was one of the last of the Rephaim (giants) so of course there was a problem fitting him in the Ark Og is mentioned in Jewish literature as being alive from the time of Noah up until the time of his death in battle with the Israelites. It is also written in the Midrash[1] that he had a special compartment in Noah's Ark just for him. Aggadah suggests an alternative to this; that he sat upon the top of the ark, riding out the flood for the duration of the storm from this location. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Og
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2013 8:23:59 GMT 9.5
For example, the 5 PoF contain a mystery that is revealed only to those who experience it in the proper setting. Demonstrations do not convey the mystery, descriptions can only hint at it. Is there a thought form that encapsulates the 5 PoF, a form that can be modified by our thoughts? .... So many good thoughts that I thought it worth attaching them here. So is the proper setting for the FPoF not the lodge - the ritual form being merely a practice? What are the intents behind FPoF? What are the symptoms of the FPoF working properly?
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Post by stepnwolf on Apr 14, 2013 13:04:38 GMT 9.5
This thread has been most interesting. I'm sorry I missed it until now. At first reading it seemed that Paul wanted Lodges to send BB out into the desert, looking for that which is lost.
Progressing further into the thread the search became more allegorical and, as was pointed out by several posters, a personal enterprise. We can experience support and encouragement from the BB of the Lodge, but at base we must take up our personal quest alone. I don't like the idea, but that seems to be the way it is.
I might point out that in some traditions the word wasn't lost, but was simply retired from use. In another degree, as in K.S's Temple, it takes 3 BB to pronounce the word. In still another degree, the word has left its Jewish roots and taken on a completely new appearance.
How will we know when the real word is found? I haven't found it yet, so I really can't say. I'll bet most forumites have that inkling of something beyond that urges them on in spite of failures and set backs. We can tell we're moving in the right direction when the dagger no longer pierces our hearts so keenly and the cable tow no longer holds us so roughly back.
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Post by LorrB on Apr 14, 2013 13:51:44 GMT 9.5
From cords to chords ... from Abram to Abraham, from Sara to Sarah) I have a vague suspicion the word is not lost, we are just not sounding the right note (remember the music of the spheres)
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Post by paul on Apr 14, 2013 14:00:43 GMT 9.5
So the term "word" is symbolic? And what we are seeking is more the capacity to induce an energy event?
And is the lost word the same as the lost secrets? Since one is singular and the other is plural, perhaps they are not the same. Perhaps the lost secrets prepare the brother for exercise of yet greater power.
He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. John 14:12.
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 7:50:48 GMT 9.5
Is the Lost Word of the Master Mason the same as the Lost Secrets?
How can a word give power?
Or is the term "word" a veiling?
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Post by LorrB on May 28, 2013 8:21:31 GMT 9.5
Can't remember the details .. but I have read that knowing the name of something or someone can give one power over it. Obviously, that does not relate to our ordinary name, my husband ignores everything I say Domestic deafness. Same goes with witches/wizards etc getting a sample of hair, photograph, or whatever. They use it to connect with the person. One can only suppose it is an Entanglement Theory process, if we use the language of science. ... then we have the 'white stone upon which a new name is written' ... ? Maybe a 'new name' applies to each step of 'the ladder'. A new word. As we raise our energy/force levels our entanglement with superior realities become more obvious to us.
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 8:28:04 GMT 9.5
> knowing the name of something or someone can give one power over it.
Obviously there are some preconditions e.g. the creation cannot have power over the creator, but generally knowing a more intimate naming gives greater access to the entity.
But knowing the name of an entity can hardly be the sum of the lost secrets.
The name on the white stone marks a new cycle but is not the lost secrets.
A friend met Kali and was given a name on a white skull, but it seemed more message as the name referenced a relevant passage in the Old Testament.
>'new name' applies to each step of 'the ladder'.
A pretty good analogy.
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Post by paul on Aug 25, 2017 9:51:56 GMT 9.5
Freemasonry makes regular mention of the sun, moon and stars but does not tell us much about their importance other than providing physical light. Earlier I recounted a story about a tree telling me that it received its patterns of unfoldment in the light from particular stars. So this morning I was meditating in the sunlight - a bit too warm - and the concept was pressed upon my awareness that the light of this sun also contains important patterning. When I looked inwardly into the sunlight I could detect some of the patterning and found it flowed much more strongly when I put my attention to it. And a bit later my attention was directed to a skill cube in the sunlight. a406.proboards.com/search/results?captcha_id=captcha_search&what_exact_phrase=skill+cube&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0&search=Search
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Post by paul on Aug 26, 2017 6:12:23 GMT 9.5
>So every one who digs deeper lol sorta gets a whole bunch of responsibility / unsatisfying job / maybe probably not appreciated
Generally that is true - although some of those digging deeper go off course or perhaps are steered off course to be used in dark agendas.
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 26, 2017 15:27:25 GMT 9.5
Such dark agendas could lead to all sorts of problems.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Aug 28, 2017 7:01:50 GMT 9.5
Is the Lost Word of the Master Mason the same as the Lost Secrets? How can a word give power? Or is the term "word" a veiling? Perhaps my favorite quote is by Mortimer Adler: "Words are symbols which point towards concepts arranged in patterns to communicate meaning". Perhaps concepts are tools we use to understand our world and meaning is the conclusion we reach.
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Post by paul on Aug 28, 2017 13:58:44 GMT 9.5
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 29, 2017 15:53:13 GMT 9.5
Both very good books. I'd like to read more of Alice Bailey.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Sept 2, 2017 11:25:08 GMT 9.5
Cain killed to get the approval of god or from lack The Secret Knowledge / to retrieve lost info on how to please god That is if we summarize the story I cannot dispute that. That is how we summarize the story. The interesting point to me is why didn't it work. How come Cain did not receive what he sought? Cain used the wrong method. Much of religion is devoted to describing what doesn't work. What does work is always veiled.
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Post by paul on Sept 2, 2017 11:58:30 GMT 9.5
I do not take the Old Testament too literally as it was written and rewritten to meet theological requirements. Genesis is fairly clearly an abbreviated version of Sumerian texts. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/serpents_dragons/boulay04e.htmFurther, Fomenko (an important Russian mathematician) has written 7 large volumes demonstrating that much of our history is fake. He makes a good case that the OT and NT were written at the same time. The subject is generally known as New Chronology. chronologia.org/en/
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Post by fjrogers on Sept 2, 2017 16:00:32 GMT 9.5
I do believe that Sumer is fairly important in early biblical texts. It's difficult to know what the original book of Genesis really contained...
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Post by paul on Sept 4, 2017 13:06:37 GMT 9.5
I would like to see a source for that. As I recall reading Cayce did not remember any of his reading and his spirit guide would read the wrong person if the target was not at the right address at the right time.
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