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Post by mgc on May 25, 2011 12:17:37 GMT 9.5
with evidence?
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 12:23:39 GMT 9.5
Evidence was a major factor in determining that the world is flat.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 12:23:55 GMT 9.5
The wonderful thing about gnostics (knowers) is that they do not need to convince anyone else of their knowings. They know from experience that belief and convictions are not important. Then why tell others?
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 12:25:31 GMT 9.5
Sometimes people need hope that there is a way out of their existential problems
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Post by roman on May 25, 2011 12:32:11 GMT 9.5
I see the value of sharing experiences. It isn't like anyone is forced to agree or disagree. It isn't always necessary for every opinion on every post to be voiced.
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Post by LorrB on May 25, 2011 12:59:35 GMT 9.5
The wonderful thing about gnostics (knowers) is that they do not need to convince anyone else of their knowings. They know from experience that belief and convictions are not important. Then why tell others? Sharing what they have found? (or they could be principal sojourners.. )
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 13:08:23 GMT 9.5
(or they could be principal sojourners.. ) Indeed in HRA when I was there we used to sing a hymn that explained that when we see God, faith (belief) and hope are no longer required but charity remains
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 14:58:45 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 15:00:21 GMT 9.5
The question is, can your "knowledge" be communicated? The nature of learning is a profound question. - Sometimes someone hangs around until they have the hang of it - Others like a period of theory followed by practice - Others have spontaneous emergence of or are born with abilities More profoundly: Can gnosis be communicated at will? I suspect the answer is yes, but it requires significant inner skills on the part of the communicator and significant light-body preconditions on the part of the recipient.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 15:45:32 GMT 9.5
I suspect the answer is yes, but it requires significant inner skills on the part of the communicator and significant light-body preconditions on the part of the recipient. Assuming the communicator has those skills, what are the recipient's "light-body preconditions" and, where they are presently deficient, can they be developed?
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Post by LorrB on May 25, 2011 16:23:40 GMT 9.5
Can knowledge be communicated - very good question. I would have to say, "if they are not ready for it - NO!" For all those thousands (over the ages) who see spaceships, aliens, ghosts, angels, have dead people visit etc - it seems not. Even when whole crowds (thousands) see the same thing it is usual for the whole thing to be put down to mass hysteria or group illusion or something along those lines. Funny though, that they tend not to be so discriminating when it come to the Volume of Sacred Law/Lore. These same people accept that angels or dead prophets appeared and communicated with people, the dead were resurrected, someone could walk on water and ascend through the air. My take on things - The point within the circle bounded by parallel lines - I think we each have our own... and as we grow our personal circle the lines are widened, we can literally see and experience more. Those who move in smaller circles, with lines not as wide, are not equiped to handle some things. (seeking secrets of higher degrees?) Maybe going round in circles in our ceremonies stretches us
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 17:18:11 GMT 9.5
The light body conditions refer to:
- the ratios of sub-plane matter - status of the chakra entities - relationship to the entity holding the knowing (communer) - relationships to entities within whose bodies the knowingness is exercised - group karmic issues - others that do not spring to mind at present.
In common parlance we refer to people being gifted, but the recipient must be worthy.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 18:32:52 GMT 9.5
Might meditation and other Raja Yoga disciplines assist the intended recipient in developing the preconditions?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 18:48:27 GMT 9.5
For all those thousands (over the ages) who see spaceships, aliens, ghosts, angels, have dead people visit etc - it seems not. Even when whole crowds (thousands) see the same thing it is usual for the whole thing to be put down to mass hysteria or group illusion or something along those lines. "No ghost was every seen by two pair of eyes." - Carlyle Admittedly, a few years ago in Coogee, across the road from where I once lived, thousands of people swore that, from a certain angle, they had seen a vision of the Virgin Mary and they even constructed a shrine. totalobscurity.com/?tag=catholics&paged=3Not all delusions are so easily debunked but that does not make them any more credible.
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 19:12:34 GMT 9.5
Might meditation and other Raja Yoga disciplines assist the intended recipient in developing the preconditions? Raja yoga is excellent at early to middle stages - being mentally oriented. Meditation, may well be useful, depending on the technique and the practitioner. Masonry teaches a number of useful practices such as ethical actions, brotherly love and standing properly upright
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 19:22:01 GMT 9.5
I am not sure about ghosts, but the Roman church rather likes collecting examples of apparitions that have been seen by several people at the same time.. These days of course balls of light are being detected by digital cameras including videos showing non-random movement. Here is one. Watch about 3 minutes in www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-VRLzV8EqA
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 20:22:29 GMT 9.5
Multiple issues with that clip: Multiple, mundane alternate explanations (lens defects, film stains, botched processing, insects, dust, smoke, reflections, the moon, etc., etc.) and with those that I can't explain, well I do not need everything explained (does not mean there is some deep mystery). By comparison, I reckon the madonna fence-line is more mind-boggling.
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Post by paul on May 25, 2011 20:32:56 GMT 9.5
with those that I can't explain, well I do not need everything explained I used to work with a woman who would say: That's just one of those things. And that would be the end of the conversation.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 20:40:01 GMT 9.5
"The demand for certainty is one which is natural to man, but is nevertheless an intellectual vice." - Russell
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 20:49:00 GMT 9.5
Some UFOlogists will admit to about 95% of sightings having mundane explanations. They hold up the remaining, unspecified, 5% as "proof" of extra-terrestrial visitation. I would be surprised if only 5% of sighting had no obvious explanation or where none was likely. Nothing more deeply mysterious with those cases than with me not knowing everyone at a party.
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