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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2010 12:20:35 GMT 9.5
When I was reading Maxwell Freedom Long's book, the Secret Science Behind Miracles it hit me like a bolt of lightening that the science he was talking about was reflected in the ceremonies of our lodge rooms, most especially in the Opening. I think that was when I first came to realize that the Officers (on one level) can be seen to be parts of ourselves. (This discovery was made when I was a relatively new mason). www.sacred-texts.com/nth/ssbm/index.htmEver since then I have kept an open eye on what 'science says' and what 'Freemasonry demonstrates' one way or another. It is amazing how often I see parallels. Does anyone else see science in the lodgeroom? |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2010 12:54:47 GMT 9.5
From the Mound Builders in America:
www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/img/22201.jpg
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This symbol is one of many found on a Mound Builder's water jar in Mississippi County, Missouri, and is a diagram showing how the Forces of the Sun are generated and carried throughout the Solar System. The dissection of it shows:
That the Sun has a hard crust and a soft center.
That the Sun is being revolved by her Superior Sun from west to east.
The revolving hard crust carries around the soft center in the same direction, but not at the same velocity, thus forming a frictional line, a magnet. This is shown by the soft material in the center being curved.
It is shown to refer to the Four Great Primary Forces by the central soft material being divided into four arms forming a cross, the first and original symbols of the Four Great Forces.
The form of the rays of the Sun are in the shape of the symbol for activity, thus saying that the rays are active in carrying the Forces somewhere, i.e., the generated Forces are taken from the hard crust by the rays and delivered in a manner to carry out certain functions not shown in this diagram.
This diagram of the American Mound Builders is the only one I have come across so far that fully carries out the writings about this phase of the Sun, which are found in the Books of the Golden Age, and thus showing the excellence of the scientific knowledge of the Mound Builders of America. Many of the Mexican tablets give parts of it but none in whole as does this one. Writings from Egypt show that they understood the Cosmic Forces in 1200 B. C., but how much later I cannot say.
The Mound Builders of America date back to when? This brings forward a question--since when were the Cosmic Sciences lost to the world? Yet, they have never been entirely lost. The old Rishi understood them. Scraps of them still are known in the Orient and among the Polynesians, and I am not so sure that some scraps are not known among some of the tribes of the North American Indians. I have good reasons for saying this. In this diagram the Sun is drawn as representative of Kin, the Celestial Orb, and not as Ra, the monotheistic symbol of the Deity.
books.google.com.au/books?id=DMRigZ4bk4EC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=The+revolving+hard+crust+carries+around+the+soft+center+in+the+same+direction&source=bl&ots=R0eHXr-hRh&sig=qd1uMT5fhQtVRYwrcdh6h8_m8rA&hl=en&ei=VoSyTNG5E4WwccSX9LAJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#
Move upwards on this link to get the images. Here we find the point within the circle (the Sun, possible being illustrated by such because of internal/external differences) moving from West to East (clockwise - circumambulating?) and producing a magnetic field (mosaic pavement, which is bordered by triangular shaped rays?) The four Great Cosmic Forces being the Four Tassels (?) or the Four Directions in the lodge, which form a cross. That the Sun is being revolved by her Superior Sun from west to east. Which is Sirius. |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 11, 2010 12:57:40 GMT 9.5
A little of the folk lore on Sirius... In Chinese astronomy the star is known as the star of the 'celestial wolf' (Chinese and Japanese: ÌìÀÇ; ; Chinese romanization: Ti¨¡nl¨¢ng; Japanese romanization: Tenr¨;[95] in the Mansion of J¨«ng (¾®ËÞ). Farther afield, many nations among the indigenous peoples of North America also associated Sirius with canines; the Seri and Tohono O'odham of the southwest note the star as a dog that follows mountain sheep, while the Blackfoot called it 'Dog-face.' The Cherokee paired Sirius with Antares as a dog-star guardian of either end of the "Path of Souls." The Pawnee of Nebraska had several associations; the Wolf (Skidi) tribe knew it as the 'Wolf Star', while other branches knew it as the 'Coyote Star.' Further north, the Alaskan Inuit of the Bering Strait called it 'Moon Dog.'[96]
Several cultures also associated the star with a bow and arrows. The Ancient Chinese visualized a large bow and arrow across the southern sky, formed by the constellations of Puppis and Canis Major. In this, the arrow tip is pointed at the wolf Sirius. A similar association is depicted at the Temple of Hathor in Dendera, where the goddess Satet has drawn her arrow at Hathor (Sirius). Known as 'Tir,' the star was portrayed as the arrow itself in later Persian culture.[97]
Sirius is mentioned in Surah (chapter) 53 of the Qur'an titled An-Najm ("The Star"). It is mentioned by name: "That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star)." (53:49)[98]
In Theosophy, it is believed the Seven Stars of the Pleiades transmit the spiritual energy of the Seven Rays from the Galactic Logos to the Seven Stars of the Great Bear, then to Sirius. From there is it sent via the Sun to the god of Earth (Sanat Kumara), and finally through the seven Masters of the Seven Rays to the human race.[99]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius
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Post by paul on Oct 11, 2010 15:45:10 GMT 9.5
It is shown to refer to the Four Great Primary Forces by the central soft material being divided into four arms forming a cross, the first and original symbols of the Four Great Forces. These four forces are represented in Masonry by the 4 tassels - suitably veiled as Platonic virtues. This is an interesting veiling as it takes us by association to the Platonic solids as the underpinnings of Creation which is of course the nature of the four primary forces. The Mayans seem to have the clearest account of this. |
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Post by coach on Oct 11, 2010 22:59:13 GMT 9.5
When I was reading Maxwell Freedom Long's book, the Secret Science Behind Miracles it hit me like a bolt of lightening that the science he was talking about was reflected in the ceremonies of our lodge rooms, most especially in the Opening. I think that was when I first came to realize that the Officers (on one level) can be seen to be parts of ourselves. (This discovery was made when I was a relatively new mason). www.sacred-texts.com/nth/ssbm/index.htmEver since then I have kept an open eye on what 'science says' and what 'Freemasonry demonstrates' one way or another. It is amazing how often I see parallels. Does anyone else see science in the lodgeroom? You've got my interest. Would you please point to the pages alluding to the opening connections? |
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Post by Henka on Oct 12, 2010 0:03:25 GMT 9.5
In Theosophy, it is believed the Seven Stars of the Pleiades transmit the spiritual energy of the Seven Rays from the Galactic Logos to the Seven Stars of the Great Bear, then to Sirius. From there is it sent via the Sun to the god of Earth (Sanat Kumara), and finally through the seven Masters of the Seven Rays to the human race.[99] [/i] This brings us to the Seven Officers (?)[/quote] So that's where you guys are getting this from.  It's utter nonsense. |
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Post by paul on Oct 12, 2010 7:50:58 GMT 9.5
In the Cartesian context such statements certainly make no sense. This is because the thinker, based on the very limited sensory perceptions available to humans, makes observations, formulates a world view and makes logical deductions that articulate the underlying assumptions.
Animals, having a much broader range of perceptions, that for example provide forewarning of earthquakes, tend to live in a much more complex world - as can be seen by the number of unseen objects that cats watch closely.
Ultimately of course it is the nature of logical process that is the challenge for educated humans. Garbage in, garbage out.
There is however some hope. The great seers of the last few millennia have made consistent observations of the nature of Existence, despite the separation of time, space and culture. Perhaps there is a reality that is knowable.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 12, 2010 8:43:08 GMT 9.5
A list of some well know people, past and present, who did not think Theosophy was nonsense, they were all members of the Society. One could say they were enthusiastic about what they discovered there.
I apologise for the very lengthy list, but you will find it quite an interesting one.
Famous Theosophists
SCIENTISTS AND INVENTORS
Sir William Crookes, theoretical physicist and inventor of the prototype of TV tube fluorescent lighting (1832 –1919)
Thomas Edison, American inventor of the electric light, phonograph, etc. (1847 –1931)
Rupert Sheldrake, British biologist and proposer of morphogenetic fields. (b. 1942)
Camille Flammarion, French astronomer (1842 –1925)
Baroness Jane Goodall, scientist working with chimpanzees. (b. 1934)
WRITERS
Lyman Frank Baum, American author of The Wizard of Oz and other children’s stories (1851 –1919)
Mohini Chatterji, on the Gita, Vivekachudamani, etc. (1858 –1936)
James Henry Cousins (1873 –1956) writer, playwright, actor, critic, editor, teacher, Poet.
Robert Duncan (1919 –1988) was an American.
William Butler Yeats, Anglo-Irish poet and playwright (1865 –1939)
George W. Russell (Æ), Irish poet, painter, and agricultural expert (1867 –1935)
Talbot Mundy (1879 –1940)
Sir Edwin Arnold , British author.
Lewis Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson), author of the Alice books (1832 –1898)
Kahlil Gibran (cf. Prophet : the life and times of Kahlil Gibran / Robin Waterfield. (New York : St. Martin's Press, 1998), p. 225.)
Sir Henry Rider Haggard, English novelist, King Solomon’s Mines, She, etc. (1856 –1925)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, English author of Sherlock Holmes stories, Spiritualist (1859 –1930).
Maurice Maeterlinck, Belgian Symbolist poet, playwright, and novelist, awarded the Nobel Prize in 1911 (1862 –1949)
Algernon Blackwood , writer on the supernatural and mystery tales (1869 –1951)
Jack London, American novelist (1876 –1916)
E. M. Forster, English novelist, Passage to India, etc. (1879 –1970)
James Joyce , Irish novelist, Ulysses, Finnegans Wake (1882 –1941)
D. H. Lawrence, English novelist. (1885 –1930)
T. S. Eliot , Anglo-American poet and critic (1888 –1965)
Henry Miller , Bohemian autobiographical novelist (1891 –1980)
John Boyton Priestley , English novelist and playwright (1894 –1984)
Thornton Wilder, American novelist and playwright (1897 –1975)
Kurt Vonnegut , Jr., American author of satirical novels of social criticism (b. 1922)
Sir Thomas (Tom) Stoppard , Czech-born playwright of intellectual drama, e.g. Arcadia (1993), which brought together Fermat's Last Theorem, chaos theory, landscape architecture, and Lord Byron; also Indian Ink about Indian independence and Theosophists (b. 1937)
ARCHITECTS
Claude Bragdon , American architect and author (1866 –1946)
Walter Burley Griffin , American architect and city planner (1876 –1937)
PSYCHOLOGISTS
Roberto Assagioli (1888 - 1974) was an Italian psychologist, humanist, visionary. Assagioli founded the psychological movement known as psychosynthesis, which is still being developed today by therapists, and psychologists, who practice his technique. His work in the field of psychology concentrated on spiritual needs, pertaining to the will and Ego. (Source: wikipedia)
William James , philosopher and psychologist
Ian Stevenson, Professor of Psychiatry, University of Virginia and leading investigator of reported cases of reincarnation.
Rukmini Devi Arundale: Revitalized Indian arts, especially dance and music.
Hilma af Klint, abstract painter.
Piet Mondriaan, Dutch painter (1872 –1944)
Beatrice Wood, artist, ceramicist (1893 –1998)
Paul Gauguin, French post impressionist, primitivist painter (1848 –1903)
Gutzon Borglum, monumental sculptor of the Mount Rushmore presidential (1867 –1941)
Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Scottish art nouveau architect and designer (1868 –1926)
Paul Klee, whimsical Swiss artist of Der Blaue Reiter and the Bauhaus School (1879 –1940)
Nicholas Roerich, Russian mystical artist, friend of Henry Wallace (1874 –1947)
Harris, Lawren, Canadian (1885 –1970)
MUSICIANS
Cyril Scott, composer and author (1879 –1970)
Gustav Mahler, symphonic composer (1860 –1911)
Jean Sibelius, Finnish musical composer inspired by the Kalevala (1865 –1957)
Alexander Nikolaievitch Scriabin, Russian composer (1872 –1915)
Elvis Presley, American rock and roll musician (1935 –1977)
Ruth Crawford-Seeg - composer
Dane Rudhyar - composer
Alexander Scriabin - composer
ACTORS
Florence Farr, actress, Golden Dawn, etc. (1860 –1917)
Dana Ivey, Broadway, screen, and TV actress
Shirley MacLaine, American film actress (b. 1934)
POLITICIANS
Annie Besant , president of the Theosophical Society, prominent activist for the independence of India.
Allan Octavian Hume, British administrator in India, one of the founders of the Indian National Congress (1829 –1912)
Alfred Deakin, framer of the Australian Federation and Prime Minister of Australia (1856 –1919)
Hernández Martínez , President of El Salvador (1882 –1966)
Henry Wallace , Vice President of the United States (1888 –1965)
Jawaharlal Nehru , first Prime Minister of India, 1947 –64 (1889 –1964)
George Lansbury , leader of British Labour party, 1931 –5, (1859 –1940)
Mohandas K. Gandhi , Indian patriot, framer of satyagraha (1869 –1948)
FEMINISTS
Clara Codd , A feminist who was imprisoned in England.
Matilda Joslyn Gage , American (1815 –1902)
Gloria Steinem , American writer and feminist (b. 1934)
RELIGIOUS FIGURES
Guy Warren Ballard (1878 –1939) American mining engineer and co- founder of the "I AM" Activity.
Alice Ann Bailey (1880 – 1949), known as Alice A. Bailey or AAB, was an influential writer and teacher in the fields of spiritual, occult, esoteric healing,astrological, Christian and other religious themes.
Paul Brunton, (1898-1981) Author of A Search in Secret India, the book that made Ramana Maharshi well known
Bhagwan Das (1869 - 1958) was an Indian theosophist and public figure. For a time he served in the Central Legislative Assembly of British India. He became allied with the Hindustani Culture Society and was active in opposing rioting as a form of protest
Anagarika Dharmapala , a leading figure in the Buddhist revival (1864 –1933)
Gerard Encausse (July 13, 1865 - 25 October 1916), whose esoteric pseudonym was Papus, was the Spanish-born French physician, hypnotist, and popularizer of occultism, who founded the modern Martinist Order.
Violet Mary Firth Evans, born Violet Mary Firth (1890 –1946) and better known as Dion Fortune, was a British occultist and author.
Manly Palmer Hall (March 18, 1901 - August 29, 1990) was a Canadian-born author and mystic. He is perhaps most famous for his work The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, published in 1928 when he was 27 years old.
Max Heindel - was a Christian occultist, astrologer, and mystic. He founded The Rosicrucian Fellowship
Alan Leo, born William Frederick Allan, (1860 - 1917), was a prominent British astrologer, author, publisher and theosophist
Venerable Balangoda Ananda Maitreya (August 24, 1896 - July 18, 1998), 'one of the leading figures of contemporary Buddhism, not just in Sri Lanka but throughout the world'
G.R.S. Mead : introduced Gnosticism to popular knowledge in England and probably the world.
Alexandra David-Néel (1868- 1969) was a Belgian-French explorer, anarchist, spiritualist, Buddhist and writer, most known for her visit to Lhasa, Tibet, in 1924, when it was forbidden to foreigners. Christmas Humphreys , English introducer of Buddhism to Westerners (1901 –1983).
Dr Walter Gorn Old (1864- 1929) was a notable 19th century mystic and astrologer, better known as Sepharial.
D.T. Suzuki , Brought Zen-Buddhism to the West.
H.S. Olcott , founding president of the Theosophical Society:
Walter Yeeling Evans-Wentz (1878 –1965) was an anthropologist and writer who was a pioneer in the study of Tibetan Buddhism.
William Wynn Westcott (1848 –1925) was a coroner, ceremonial magician, and Freemason born in Leamington, Warwickshire, England. He was a Supreme Magus (chief) of the S.R.I.A and went on to co found the Golden Dawn.
MISCELLANEOUS
Alonzo Decker (?? –1956), co founder of Black & Decker manufacturing company, joined T.S. in America April 3, 1929, member until his death.
General Abner Doubleday , legendary father of baseball (1819 –1893)
Maria Montessori , educator and founder of Montessori Method (1870 –1952)
CONTROVERSIAL/UNSUBSTATIATED
Franz Kafka, Aldous Huxley, Owen Barfield, Wallace Stevens, R. Tagore.
Ken Wilber Publishes his first books through the TSA, but the first editions aren't published by Quest Publishing, so it's not clear whether this can be seen as a link between theosophy and his work.
George Lucas, Elvis Presley, and Einstein are known to have read books on Theosophy.
GROUPS
These groups started by theosophists or had as their most active members theosophists in their early days.
Co-freemasonry (See Annie Besant)
Amnesty International (source: theosophical grapevine)
Buddhist Society in England (was the Buddhist lodge of the Theosophical Society
Sufi movement started by Hazrat Inayat Khan
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Post by LorrB on Oct 12, 2010 8:51:27 GMT 9.5
I was not surprised to hear that George Lucas was a great fan of theosophical books.
Frank L Baum ... I am giving a talk in lodge this coming meeting about the relationship that exists between The Wizard of Oz and Freemasonry (Strawman, Tinman and the Cowardly Lion signifying Wisdom, Beauty and Strength) he must have been a Freemason as well as a Theosophist.
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Post by Henka on Oct 12, 2010 16:33:40 GMT 9.5
... maybe - maybe not ... Prove the 'utter nonsense statement'  I'd say the burden of proof lies in your corner. |
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Post by paul on Oct 12, 2010 17:29:17 GMT 9.5
I'd say the burden of proof lies in your corner. In the absence of an agreed frame of reference, there is no Logical process for convergence of views. There are of course Experiential processes that allow for convergence of widely different views, as demonstrated by millennia of seers. Experiential processes (in some frames of reference) are based on the motility of the relevant energy (light) bodies. |
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Post by coach on Oct 12, 2010 21:40:16 GMT 9.5
When I was reading Maxwell Freedom Long's book, the Secret Science Behind Miracles it hit me like a bolt of lightening that the science he was talking about was reflected in the ceremonies of our lodge rooms, most especially in the Opening. I think that was when I first came to realize that the Officers (on one level) can be seen to be parts of ourselves. (This discovery was made when I was a relatively new mason). www.sacred-texts.com/nth/ssbm/index.htmEver since then I have kept an open eye on what 'science says' and what 'Freemasonry demonstrates' one way or another. It is amazing how often I see parallels. Does anyone else see science in the lodgeroom? You've got my interest. Would you please point to the pages alluding to the opening connections? My interest is quickly starting to wane ... |
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Post by LorrB on Oct 13, 2010 8:53:20 GMT 9.5
My interest is quickly starting to wane ... Short attention span, huh? The whole book is about the process by which the everyday consciousness needs to first gain the attention of the subconscious, so that it can access the superconsciousness (using Jungian terms). There are established lines of communication via a cord (silver?) known as the aka cord. Re: The opening.. There are the three principle officers, and the three assistant officers. The assistant officers can be seen to equate to the aka cord which connect the three consciousness'. The big clue is that deacons carry commands and communications, but neither can communicate with whomever they like... there is a definite path defined for each, each one having to wait for the other to do their bit. You really need to read the book to gain a full understanding, but I have managed to get some bits n pieces to give you a quick tour. I am responsible for the bold type. Huna, in Hawaiian, means "secret." (Kahuna, means Keeper of the Secret) Huna, in its purest form is ancient knowledge enabling a person to connect to his or her highest wisdom within. Understanding and utilizing the fundamentals or "seven principles" of Huna is intended to bring about healing and harmony through the power of the mind. This healing art and earth science is spiritual in nature, experiencing its concepts gives us the opportunity to integrate mind, body and spirit.
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The essence of Huna teachings is that the human being is made up of three selves, or minds. They can most easily be called the subconscious mind, the conscious mind, and the super conscious mind. (Principle Officers)
The Kahunas call the conscious mind the "Uhane", or middle self. This middle self is the part of the human that is conscious of its own existence (Sun at Meridian)and has the ability to reason. It has also been given free will to create (Mark)as it pleases, along with the low self.
The subconscious mind is called the "Unihipili" or low self. It is the part of the human that presents the unconscious material to the conscious mind so it may reason for or against it. The low self is the storehouse of all memory and the seat of the emotions. Its form of mentation is considered to be that of animal-level reasoning. The term "low" has no reference to rank or importance, only to the fact that it is below the level of consciousness (the JW never addresses the SW directly) of the middle self and to the fact that its bodily center is in the solar plexus rather than in the head.
The third part is the high self, called the "Aumakua" by the Kahuna. The high self is the "older utterly trustworthy parental self of spirit." This higher self lives at a higher plane of consciousness outside of the physical body (Master on the raised platform). It will not intervene in the affairs of life unless asked to do so. This is understood to be a cosmic law the high self must adhere to.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 14, 2010 8:03:47 GMT 9.5
Coach, if you have a really keen eye (and an open mind) you will find much of interest by considering what is written above with the penalties and the Ju's.
And I do recommend that this book be read in its entirety.
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Post by coach on Oct 14, 2010 10:52:53 GMT 9.5
Thanks!
It may take some time as I'm currently half way through writing Volume 4. It's on my todo list though. I look forward to checking out your leads.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 15, 2010 9:31:00 GMT 9.5
The Square and Compasses The Winding Staircase Royal Arch Fractality is essence – not only of physical but any reality. Distinction between physical and non-physical or any equal opposites is only relative. It’s one thing in diametrically opposite perspectives. Reality is singular source in dual framework of space and time (or any two equal opposites). It’s one truth seen in space and time, which are 90º apart.
Space and time are equal opposites of each other – they are inside out inversion of each other. One in context of another is double causative curvature – it’s intertwined double helix that changes in 90º sequences, but the essence of such inversely proportional causality is their coherence in between. The essence is linear direction in the center around which inversely proportional space/time curvatures coils.
www.prophetsmanual.com/content/index.cfm?navID=21&itemID=24
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Post by paul on Oct 15, 2010 9:41:49 GMT 9.5
>Fractality is essence – not only of physical but any reality.
I wonder if a fish swims in a fractal manner
>Space and time are equal opposites of each other
Are there levels of existence (planes) upon which time does not exist? If so, is there no space on those planes?
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