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Post by paul on Aug 20, 2020 14:36:45 GMT 9.5
Last year I noticed that the mineral kingdom of this planet was in a lot of pain. It seems to have improved somewhat and now feels neutral but not joyful as it is on/in Jupiter.
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 25, 2020 16:18:09 GMT 9.5
Can you explain the pain of the mineral kingdom?
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Post by paul on Aug 25, 2020 21:00:15 GMT 9.5
The devic being that overlights this planet's mineral kingdom was rather unhappy with the planetary logos. That relationship seems now to be neutral rather than negative
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 22:45:54 GMT 9.5
Good morning gentlemen. I'm taking any and everything anymore with a grain of salt. Rather it be religious or rather it be philosophical, it all has me on my own level so to speak until I can make my own decisions without too many difficulties. I find so many truths in both matters(spiritual and non) and my heart sits well with these sometimes. Yet being that there are those matters which do not set well as being either religious or non. I take the words of the saints to heart for if you can not trust the leaf of the almond tree then who the hell can ya trust right(sometimes)? On occasion these fellows have a tendency to lose me in translation as the answers to the questions I seek are often riddled and I seemingly go off course and I forget my initial intentions(Thanks Mr. Miyagi). The same happens oh so often while speaking to a brother of the lodge. I get the enticement of the secrecy and its nature but there is a reason for it all and the answers themselves desire to be eluding. As I assume I read earlier in the comments, "Why humans of all species and what in the hell is our goal? Whatever it is we are seeking as a whole or should be seeking is seemingly in fact enlightenment towards an end. I believe that some are on the correct path and I believe that there are those that desire to hinder this path from all of humanity as it continues to keep many in the drudges of life. I can not for some reason bring myself to believe that we are only to "enlighten ourselves". Were we not (according to scripture) all enlightened at one point in time, until the deluge? For whatever reasons according to scripture we had this taken away from us. It was said that due to our "Unruly" behavior it had to be done
Without even reaching for this path entirely I believe that I have came to an certainty of enlightenment and have some answers to these questions that I(or some positive force) have/has been drawing myself/me to for quite some time. Something is soon upon us and I feel that those that walk the correct path are preparing to endure whatever it is to ensure that the endeavors of all we have worked for are not in vain. There is(and has to be) a reason for it all. How many species has been on this planet and how many types of lifeforms have came here or have been brought here throughout time to fight this uphill battle of "here ya go boys, have at it"? How many times have we done this unknowingly and how many more times must we endure before a solution is found for whatever the reason is that we continue to linger as a species on this planet. And rather it be God's decision or our own to just blatantly come in blind or be sent in blind.....this decisions sucks and someone else needs to lay down the new rules. I cant personally understand that my soul(light or whatever) agreed to come to earth for this mission by coming in blind, deaf and dumb so to speak. Who would willingly leave the comforts of shooting through space or being some sort of light force(or whatever the hell we were before coming here) to come figure out the problems of earth? Unless life out there (where ever we came from) sucked worse than this one. Hmmmm, now there is a topic. "How my life sucked on other planets too!" As some here know i can ramble on about this for days, but i have to go to work. gentlemen until next time.
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Post by paul on Aug 26, 2020 6:48:17 GMT 9.5
It is said that there are seven paths available for humans that graduate from this planet. When I read the account, the same path always moves me deeply a406.proboards.com/thread/1662/spiritual-paths-planet Spirits that have been sent to incarnate in Earth humanity may already be upon a particular path.
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Post by sammy on Aug 26, 2020 9:23:28 GMT 9.5
Good morning gentlemen. I'm taking any and everything anymore with a grain of salt. Rather it be religious or rather it be philosophical, it all has me on my own level so to speak until I can make my own decisions without too many difficulties. I find so many truths in both matters(spiritual and non) and my heart sits well with these sometimes. Yet being that there are those matters which do not set well as being either religious or non. I take the words of the saints to heart for if you can not trust the leaf of the almond tree then who the hell can ya trust right(sometimes)? On occasion these fellows have a tendency to lose me in translation as the answers to the questions I seek are often riddled and I seemingly go off course and I forget my initial intentions(Thanks Mr. Miyagi). The same happens oh so often while speaking to a brother of the lodge. I get the enticement of the secrecy and its nature but there is a reason for it all and the answers themselves desire to be eluding. As I assume I read earlier in the comments, "Why humans of all species and what in the hell is our goal? Whatever it is we are seeking as a whole or should be seeking is seemingly in fact enlightenment towards an end. I believe that some are on the correct path and I believe that there are those that desire to hinder this path from all of humanity as it continues to keep many in the drudges of life. I can not for some reason bring myself to believe that we are only to "enlighten ourselves". Were we not (according to scripture) all enlightened at one point in time, until the deluge? For whatever reasons according to scripture we had this taken away from us. It was said that due to our "Unruly" behavior it had to be done Without even reaching for this path entirely I believe that I have came to an certainty of enlightenment and have some answers to these questions that I(or some positive force) have/has been drawing myself/me to for quite some time. Something is soon upon us and I feel that those that walk the correct path are preparing to endure whatever it is to ensure that the endeavors of all we have worked for are not in vain. There is(and has to be) a reason for it all. How many species has been on this planet and how many types of lifeforms have came here or have been brought here throughout time to fight this uphill battle of "here ya go boys, have at it"? How many times have we done this unknowingly and how many more times must we endure before a solution is found for whatever the reason is that we continue to linger as a species on this planet. And rather it be God's decision or our own to just blatantly come in blind or be sent in blind.....this decisions sucks and someone else needs to lay down the new rules. I cant personally understand that my soul(light or whatever) agreed to come to earth for this mission by coming in blind, deaf and dumb so to speak. Who would willingly leave the comforts of shooting through space or being some sort of light force(or whatever the hell we were before coming here) to come figure out the problems of earth? Unless life out there (where ever we came from) sucked worse than this one. Hmmmm, now there is a topic. "How my life sucked on other planets too!" As some here know i can ramble on about this for days, but i have to go to work. gentlemen until next time. Amazing post! You definitely moved me with this one. 😭 My thoughts for what they are worthe. The end part.. it is a rough logic for sure and one I also battled. I even whent as far as feeling responsible for dooming my son to the same fate. Long mentally painful story short, we have no choice. As in we chose to help keep the circle. Seeking unity demands the work to get there and we seek the work to close it. It is the path forward in my eyes.
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Post by paul on Aug 26, 2020 9:58:07 GMT 9.5
>Unless life out there (where ever we came from) sucked worse than this one.
Having an apparently separate physical body and an apparently separate mind encourages humans to think of themselves as separate existences.
Of course the physical body is constantly exchanging substance with its environment as is the human mind. If we then think in terms of ecosystems (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual) the separate existence of the human is not so obvious.
Perhaps my and your human existence on this planet is not an arbitrary or accidental event but the result of Intelligent Ecosystem Decision - an IED.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 22:08:52 GMT 9.5
Good morning gentlemen. I'm taking any and everything anymore with a grain of salt. Rather it be religious or rather it be philosophical, it all has me on my own level so to speak until I can make my own decisions without too many difficulties. I find so many truths in both matters(spiritual and non) and my heart sits well with these sometimes. Yet being that there are those matters which do not set well as being either religious or non. I take the words of the saints to heart for if you can not trust the leaf of the almond tree then who the hell can ya trust right(sometimes)? On occasion these fellows have a tendency to lose me in translation as the answers to the questions I seek are often riddled and I seemingly go off course and I forget my initial intentions(Thanks Mr. Miyagi). The same happens oh so often while speaking to a brother of the lodge. I get the enticement of the secrecy and its nature but there is a reason for it all and the answers themselves desire to be eluding. As I assume I read earlier in the comments, "Why humans of all species and what in the hell is our goal? Whatever it is we are seeking as a whole or should be seeking is seemingly in fact enlightenment towards an end. I believe that some are on the correct path and I believe that there are those that desire to hinder this path from all of humanity as it continues to keep many in the drudges of life. I can not for some reason bring myself to believe that we are only to "enlighten ourselves". Were we not (according to scripture) all enlightened at one point in time, until the deluge? For whatever reasons according to scripture we had this taken away from us. It was said that due to our "Unruly" behavior it had to be done Without even reaching for this path entirely I believe that I have came to an certainty of enlightenment and have some answers to these questions that I(or some positive force) have/has been drawing myself/me to for quite some time. Something is soon upon us and I feel that those that walk the correct path are preparing to endure whatever it is to ensure that the endeavors of all we have worked for are not in vain. There is(and has to be) a reason for it all. How many species has been on this planet and how many types of lifeforms have came here or have been brought here throughout time to fight this uphill battle of "here ya go boys, have at it"? How many times have we done this unknowingly and how many more times must we endure before a solution is found for whatever the reason is that we continue to linger as a species on this planet. And rather it be God's decision or our own to just blatantly come in blind or be sent in blind.....this decisions sucks and someone else needs to lay down the new rules. I cant personally understand that my soul(light or whatever) agreed to come to earth for this mission by coming in blind, deaf and dumb so to speak. Who would willingly leave the comforts of shooting through space or being some sort of light force(or whatever the hell we were before coming here) to come figure out the problems of earth? Unless life out there (where ever we came from) sucked worse than this one. Hmmmm, now there is a topic. "How my life sucked on other planets too!" As some here know i can ramble on about this for days, but i have to go to work. gentlemen until next time. Amazing post! You definitely moved me with this one. 😭 My thoughts for what they are worthe. The end part.. it is a rough logic for sure and one I also battled. I even whent as far as feeling responsible for dooming my son to the same fate. Long mentally painful story short, we have no choice. As in we chose to help keep the circle. Seeking unity demands the work to get there and we seek the work to close it. It is the path forward in my eyes. "I even whent as far as feeling responsible for dooming my son to the same fate. " Sammy, I am in this very predicament, as I fear the same for both of my sons living the same "earthly life" that i have lived and perhaps never finding the correct path. I've been going almost mental trying to decide the religious aspects from the non. Coming to the conclusion as to "why in the hell was i not taught this at youth and why shouldn't i just dump this on my sons so they are not so ill-informed as I. I find comfort in the scriptures(as it is their intentions) as I believe that Abraham has this very same issue with his son Issac. I find that Abraham being told to take Issac for sacrifice was only gods instruction to lead Issac(Our sons(children) as far as we can in the proper direction as it is not our responsibility to kill off the old man that we(as humans) need to be rid of to create that which we are /should be. Do I fear that my sons will make the wrong decisions in life? Absolutely, but I pray that they will make the right decisions as I do my best to explain the scriptures in an acceptable form. As I try to find my own path, the difficulties of guiding those(my children) that follow me puts that fear in my heart to try and be the best man that I can be, to be the Idea of a "Good man" and be something/someone that would entice them to continue in their fathers(best trodden) footsteps. Sam, I thank you mostly for your insight and sharing this moment with me as I enter into this stage of whatever I'm doing. I believe this connection or truth to be part of the fellowship that the lodge members share among brothers and something that I almost long to be a part of. Until this moment happens, this forum shall have to suffice. As I take the scriptures to heart (hahaha) i find a couple questions that beat my brain. Does it have to be the wilderness that I wander or that dark closet that I seek? I am fond of neither to be 100% honest and can seriously be open to just other options. AHHHHHH SPIDERS and SNAKES need to go to another planet already!!! Out to work, have a blessed day gentlemen
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Post by sammy on Aug 27, 2020 1:45:58 GMT 9.5
"I even whent as far as feeling responsible for dooming my son to the same fate. " Sammy, I am in this very predicament, as I fear the same for both of my sons living the same "earthly life" that i have lived and perhaps never finding the correct path. I've been going almost mental trying to decide the religious aspects from the non. Coming to the conclusion as to "why in the hell was i not taught this at youth and why shouldn't i just dump this on my sons so they are not so ill-informed as I. I find comfort in the scriptures(as it is their intentions) as I believe that Abraham has this very same issue with his son Issac. I find that Abraham being told to take Issac for sacrifice was only gods instruction to lead Issac(Our sons(children) as far as we can in the proper direction as it is not our responsibility to kill off the old man that we(as humans) need to be rid of to create that which we are /should be. Do I fear that my sons will make the wrong decisions in life? Absolutely, but I pray that they will make the right decisions as I do my best to explain the scriptures in an acceptable form. As I try to find my own path, the difficulties of guiding those(my children) that follow me puts that fear in my heart to try and be the best man that I can be, to be the Idea of a "Good man" and be something/someone that would entice them to continue in their fathers(best trodden) footsteps. Sam, I thank you mostly for your insight and sharing this moment with me as I enter into this stage of whatever I'm doing. I believe this connection or truth to be part of the fellowship that the lodge members share among brothers and something that I almost long to be a part of. Until this moment happens, this forum shall have to suffice. As I take the scriptures to heart (hahaha) i find a couple questions that beat my brain. Does it have to be the wilderness that I wander or that dark closet that I seek? I am fond of neither to be 100% honest and can seriously be open to just other options. AHHHHHH SPIDERS and SNAKES need to go to another planet already!!! Out to work, have a blessed day gentlemen I think the most important thing to remember is no other path will suffice for the one you walk yourself. Be the good man you are with your actions, while still keeping safety in mind. The big bad wolf is in those woods too as well as the way forward. Your children and others will see your work and appreciate you for it. When logics clash confront both sides openly for a resolution, the truth will usually rear its head eventually. Our will brought us here for reasons we may not know, however it is more then obvious help is needed on this ball we call Earth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 10:30:48 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Aug 27, 2020 10:54:25 GMT 9.5
> like myself going off to see the wizard
Looking for an external solution is traditional but ultimately inefficient.
As we are rightly told "the kingdom of heaven is within". This is true for most humans with the exceptions not inclined to search for spirituality.
The Flame seems to be the simplest approach for most humans but who would want simple?
I am reminded of a quote ascribed to Winston Churchill during WW2:
"The Americans can be relied upon to to do the right thing, but only after they have tried everything else first"
Perhaps circuitous paths are inherent in humans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:31:15 GMT 9.5
> like myself going off to see the wizard Looking for an external solution is traditional but ultimately inefficient. As we are rightly told "the kingdom of heaven is within". This is true for most humans with the exceptions not inclined to search for spirituality. The Flame seems to be the simplest approach for most humans but who would want simple? I am reminded of a quote ascribed to Winston Churchill during WW2: "The Americans can be relied upon to to do the right thing, but only after they have tried everything else first" Perhaps circuitous paths are inherent in humans. You know Paul, I've never considered myself an intelligent man. Though I've always thought of myself as a pretty fast learner, when it was I found something that peaked my interests. Your wording definitely makes sense but i am loosing something in translation maybe. It starts to feel as if what your saying is do not come at this from a spiritual angle, as it would only disappoint. Also that I might want to stick with the flame of the heart exercise as it may be easier than carrying my booty miles out into the woods and have the living s**t scared out of me. But I recall Sammy (who would appear to me would be a more spiritual fellow as you are more of a scientific as it feels to me), he said that taking that trip was(the way my heart understood it) a vital part of proceeding with what I feel I need to do. Or perhaps I am blind and dumb. Not implying that you are not spiritual Paul or that you are sammy...its just the way it felt. lol
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Post by sammy on Aug 27, 2020 13:31:50 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Aug 27, 2020 13:33:43 GMT 9.5
> feel as if what your saying is do not come at this from a spiritual angle, as it would only disappoint
In the external solution approach it is standard to distinguish spirit and matter. This however is not particularly useful.
It is much better to imagine a spectrum from spirit to matter. Even this is too limited.
Then we can imagine matter as condensed spirit, with transcendent spirit still interpenetrating the dense spirit we call matter.
Thus spirit is accessible at all time in all matter, energy and beings.
It is profitable to teach that matter and spirit are separate, since it is then easy to sell a blessing/ritual/potion/organisation that will make the purchaser more spiritual (and more subservient to the seller).
My latest practice is looking at food in supermarkets to detect whether it is happy. Eating/drinking unhappy substances is an unnecessary burden.
> stick with the flame of the heart exercise as it may be easier than carrying my booty miles out into the woods
Surely both are good. Solitary meditation in nature is a very traditional practice - and quite hard to monetize.
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Post by paul on Aug 27, 2020 13:37:39 GMT 9.5
> a more spiritual fellow as you are more of a scientific as it feels to me What then of spiritual science?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 22:11:29 GMT 9.5
I like you Paul, I really do. I can not thank you all enough for the time and patience that you and others have offered to me and my ramblings alone. Regardless of the ignorant statements/questions that have been posted from me, you guys have tolerated it and are awesome. As I look back at the assumptions that I have made in regards to the craft and its purposes it almost sickens me that I was as ignorant as I was. I still feel ignorant to the truths but much more in touch with the reality of it all(if that makes any sense at all). Again, have a blessed day and I hope to speak again soon.
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Post by sammy on Aug 27, 2020 22:50:08 GMT 9.5
> like myself going off to see the wizard Looking for an external solution is traditional but ultimately inefficient. As we are rightly told "the kingdom of heaven is within". This is true for most humans with the exceptions not inclined to search for spirituality. The Flame seems to be the simplest approach for most humans but who would want simple? I am reminded of a quote ascribed to Winston Churchill during WW2: "The Americans can be relied upon to to do the right thing, but only after they have tried everything else first" Perhaps circuitous paths are inherent in humans. You know Paul, I've never considered myself an intelligent man. Though I've always thought of myself as a pretty fast learner, when it was I found something that peaked my interests. Your wording definitely makes sense but i am loosing something in translation maybe. It starts to feel as if what your saying is do not come at this from a spiritual angle, as it would only disappoint. Also that I might want to stick with the flame of the heart exercise as it may be easier than carrying my booty miles out into the woods and have the living s**t scared out of me. But I recall Sammy (who would appear to me would be a more spiritual fellow as you are more of a scientific as it feels to me), he said that taking that trip was(the way my heart understood it) a vital part of proceeding with what I feel I need to do. Or perhaps I am blind and dumb. Not implying that you are not spiritual Paul or that you are sammy...its just the way it felt. lol You picked up what I was throwin down for sure! We cannot know, until we look.
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Post by sammy on Aug 28, 2020 1:38:36 GMT 9.5
"Taking the trip"
This is a debacle for me. There are many vehicles to set one on this path. I cannot say what works better then others as it all depends on the individuals needs for the next step.
As for me and Paul and our differences, we are most aware. As i have mentioned "but not at heart". Different sides of the same coin so to speak but many sides exist out there.
As I would hope I have done for Paul, his words have shed light on some very dark and hard to see places in myself. What is needed is just that and nothing more when seeking the path of unity. A wrung for the ladder can come from the most unexpected places. Enlightenment likes to hide in the cracks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 8:37:28 GMT 9.5
"many vehicles"? I recall a certain individual from a story that I've been reading for quite some time now. I remember the fellow say something along the lines of "enter into thy closet" now there are spiders in my closet too lmao but i would ride it out in the closet a lot easier than playing Davy Crockett and go (southern accent)wrastlin with a bear. If not then i'm still dumbfounded on the camping tent though hahahaha
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Post by sammy on Aug 28, 2020 9:00:39 GMT 9.5
"many vehicles"? I recall a certain individual from a story that I've been reading for quite some time now. I remember the fellow say something along the lines of "enter into thy closet" now there are spiders in my closet too lmao but i would ride it out in the closet a lot easier than playing Davy Crockett and go (southern accent)wrastlin with a bear. If not then i'm still dumbfounded on the camping tent though hahahaha By vehicle I mean a driving force urging your conscious awareness toward the focused thought. Creating logic, understanding, or any culmination of thought into a structure based off that wills design. The need for this connecting to others comes into play for these reasons. A "shared" design from personal energies. I think I missed something about the tent for the woods. What does the tent represent to you, or do you mean a literal tent for traveling?
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