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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 21:47:55 GMT 9.5
Not really stalking any lodges and I can recall a few posts and other videos regarding claims of Cowans and Eavesdroppers. What happens in lodge is exactly what it is and it belongs strictly to its brethern. I believe that it is strictly 100% owned by its members and it should be protected as such.......but energy is energy. Would someone seeking assistance by doing such be deemed a "cowan" of sorts? I wanted to share this from the "myfreemasonry" forum and get some other feedback. James, I too have been so drawn to the desire to sit outside of the lodge to feel if I was to be drawn in (so to speak). I mean the almost natural draw that I feel pulls me towards masonry and its beauty. Yet to be sitting outside of the lodge like the kid that wasn't picked to play. Almost seemingly waiting for a player to be injured so the coach would say..."Hey c'mon and join the game" yet I'm 110% sure that the WM has plenty of backup players in the lodge. hahahaha I've never wanted to be seen and someone trying to sneak over/under/through that old west gate that is so heavily guarded but would it be ignorant of me to do exactly as to claimed to have done. I've had so much difficulty with coming to an understanding of who I am and what I must do before continuing forward with life. I now believe that though this giant ant hill which I have molded into a mountain and set in my own direct path was my own doing and once i get back to the other side and take control of what i need to take control of, then and only then will i be ready for another attempt at joining the lodge. Yet The question i put forth again. Would it be deemed unwise to approach a lodge(and stay outside) to attempt to draw energy for a positive assistance of sorts? I wouldn't desire the Big T. to come storming out of the lodge and run me off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 1:56:57 GMT 9.5
Aight Dr. Seuss. I'm bout fit to be tied with all the riddlebox. Lmao u just asked if it would be ok or not.
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Post by paul on Aug 17, 2020 5:52:03 GMT 9.5
>it would be ok or not.
In my view it is quite acceptable. If you like the look of the brethren going in, contact the secretary and ask to be invited to their supper so that you can meet them. It is important to pick a lodge that has your sort of brethren.
That said, Freemasonry as a metaphysical reality is much greater and more profound than are the lodges. Most that are drawn by Freemasonry do not find much of it in the lodges.
This is primarily because the cosmic tide is going out on human Freemasonry as it is on many human social structures.
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Post by sammy on Aug 18, 2020 3:44:51 GMT 9.5
Just my thoughts here. Good and bad are largely decided upon intent. If your intent is to gain more knowledge before progressing, then if or when you are asked to explain yourself the intention is clear.
Be aware of intentions and define those to who might cross them. Every human can follow pathways of logic, it just depends on how far they are willing to go with you.
Paul had suggested to me the same method for getting to know what lodge to is best for me.
I didn't sit in the parking lot but the lodge I am currently looking into has a website with pics of the staff and a summary of their brotherhood. I did research until I was satisfied. If the website wouldn't have eased my worries I was planning on the open house supper. Whent to that last week but at a nearby bar since covid and all.
Still not sure how initiations are gonna work tho. Last I heard they are on hold in Oregon.
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Post by valent on Aug 18, 2020 12:28:48 GMT 9.5
Paul wrote >That said, Freemasonry as a metaphysical reality is much greater and more profound than are the lodges. Most that are drawn by Freemasonry do not find much of it in the lodges.
This is primarily because the cosmic tide is going out on human Freemasonry as it is on many human social structures. ------ Freemasonry was comprised of a large amount of people, however over the last 70 years has been chopped up and divided into sub groups or "offshoots" The tide did not go out, humans have been and are being divided into little/smaller groups. In news media the general theme is divide and conquer a vs b instead of unify and prevail.
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Post by sammy on Aug 18, 2020 13:21:08 GMT 9.5
Paul wrote >That said, Freemasonry as a metaphysical reality is much greater and more profound than are the lodges. Most that are drawn by Freemasonry do not find much of it in the lodges. This is primarily because the cosmic tide is going out on human Freemasonry as it is on many human social structures. ------ Freemasonry was comprised of a large amount of people, however over the last 70 years has been chopped up and divided into sub groups or "offshoots" The tide did not go out, humans have been and are being divided into little/smaller groups. In news media the general theme is divide and conquer a vs b instead of unify and prevail. I would agree with your assessment. Socialy things are becoming more spread out, but the divisions themselves seem to be intensified in focus. Not new socially speaking just maybe in volume but I think a result of something else. The search for spiritual and physical truths can create such atmospheres. The ball rolls toward progress regardless the fuss.
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Post by paul on Aug 18, 2020 13:33:11 GMT 9.5
>The tide did not go out, humans have been and are being divided into little/smaller groups. My data is largely based on a constant definition group. My survey of 40 year brethren is that all that I have asked have been unequivocal in stating that the ritual is much less powerful/intense than when they were first Freemasons. I have observed the decline in ritual energy myself - hence the survey. Many years ago I saw the architecture for a new set of craft rituals but I have never found a human that was interested enough to work on the next cycle of what is currently called Freemasonry. a406.proboards.com/thread/956/ritual-new-masonry
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Post by paul on Aug 19, 2020 19:30:20 GMT 9.5
>discover the divine in himself and in the world that he might achieve mental satisfaction and ultimate happiness.
So is the human:
- decorative and hence assisted to enlightenment for the same reason as watering rose bushes? - an end in itself and hence free to be happy with no objective external to humanity? - functional in a planetary/cosmic context?
If the human is functional, what are its functions?
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Post by valent on Aug 20, 2020 10:11:49 GMT 9.5
>the ball rolls towards progress That is the ultimate goal. These are supposed to be awakening times for most, instead there is an equally opposing force (of darkness) For some this is perceived as a call to action and choice, however those who do have unstable footing will collapse or tumble on their path.
Paul I have also asked fellow Brethren regarding the energy declination over time. Those who have completed the story would disagree. In SR we are only given a piece of the story, the other half is in the HRA.
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Post by valent on Aug 20, 2020 10:14:59 GMT 9.5
>discover the divine in himself and in the world that he might achieve mental satisfaction and ultimate happiness. So is the human: - decorative and hence assisted to enlightenment for the same reason as watering rose bushes? - an end in itself and hence free to be happy with no objective external to humanity? - functional in a planetary/cosmic context? If the human is functional, what are its functions? Tesla quote “My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”
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Post by paul on Aug 20, 2020 10:48:49 GMT 9.5
>the other half is in the HRA.
Regrettably the words in HRA are a relatively ancient substitute. In the English RA chapters they use a very recent substitution.
If the words were genuine/effective, the loss of even two of the three brethren would be of no consequence as the remaining Master would know all the words.
As it happens the triple grip is much more authentic than the ritual words.
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Post by paul on Aug 20, 2020 10:50:27 GMT 9.5
>there is a core from which we obtain knowledge
Why are humans expected to obtain knowledge while other species seem to be complete with their existing capacities?
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Post by sammy on Aug 20, 2020 11:12:45 GMT 9.5
>there is a core from which we obtain knowledge Why are humans expected to obtain knowledge while other species seem to be complete with their existing capacities? I was thinking about when you asked this earlier. The human purpose.. I think its to create balance among astonishing powers. Balance seems to be the common thread IMO, internally, socially, physically, spiritually, etc... A great many things. Also the main force used for any motor, balancing and directing forces turning the center core rod.
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Post by paul on Aug 20, 2020 11:16:13 GMT 9.5
>create balance among astonishing powers
Quite so and the underlying mechanism for performing such a role is the Tree of Life that fits upon the human energy system.
So what is the scope of responsibility:
- the human itself? - the human's family? - the human's property and possessions? - the human's surrounding ecosystem? - particular kingdoms of Creation/Existence? - planet? - solar system? - galaxy? - ??
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Post by sammy on Aug 20, 2020 12:23:28 GMT 9.5
>create balance among astonishing powers Quite so and the underlying mechanism for performing such a role is the Tree of Life that fits upon the human energy system. So what is the scope of responsibility: - the human itself? - the human's family? - the human's property and possessions? - the human's surrounding ecosystem? - particular kingdoms of Creation/Existence? - planet? - solar system? - galaxy? - ?? The theme here i have noticed is progress. Not sure toward what exactly, but it wanes in the positive flow. Unity among many?
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Post by sammy on Aug 20, 2020 12:26:21 GMT 9.5
The 3-D mind tool i had that video of shows neutral touches all flows and is the center/core for all as well.
The "rod".
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Post by sammy on Aug 20, 2020 12:43:22 GMT 9.5
>create balance among astonishing powers Quite so and the underlying mechanism for performing such a role is the Tree of Life that fits upon the human energy system. So what is the scope of responsibility: - the human itself? - the human's family? - the human's property and possessions? - the human's surrounding ecosystem? - particular kingdoms of Creation/Existence? - planet? - solar system? - galaxy? - ?? The theme here i have noticed is progress. Not sure toward what exactly, but it wanes in the positive flow. Unity among many? Rewording this.. it wanes in the direction of personal happiness I.E. will. Keeping balanced ofcourse. So perhaps our goal is to discover, what in the hell makes us happy as a whole? The results of history are astonishing at best..
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Post by paul on Aug 20, 2020 12:51:43 GMT 9.5
>what in the hell makes us happy as a whole?
Is humanity a whole that is separate from the rest of Existence?
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Post by paul on Aug 20, 2020 12:53:11 GMT 9.5
>The theme here i have noticed is progress.
I did write the list in terms of increasing spheres of existence, but such a list does not answer the question of where this balance is to be created.
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Post by sammy on Aug 20, 2020 13:46:35 GMT 9.5
>what in the hell makes us happy as a whole? Is humanity a whole that is separate from the rest of Existence? I guess the best I could explain this would be connected in a general conscious set of the wholes logical rule. As mentioned earlier things favor the way of least resistance. A logical path, seeking a way forward in optimal safety. Perhaps also the reason for imagination, a place to work in safety until created into the connection of others.
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