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Post by pointwithinacircle on Nov 26, 2018 15:02:08 GMT 9.5
With something like 30 states allowing the sale of medical cannibus and around ten now legalizing recreational use, I'm wondering if this will become an issue in Masonic Lodges. Is the use of cannibus inconsistent with the practice of Masonry? I have never had this topic come up in conversation in a Masonic setting. Everything just seems to be changing and I am not even sure which side of this issue I would be on. I'm just wondering how others approach this issue.
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Post by paul on Nov 26, 2018 16:39:47 GMT 9.5
In 35 years in Australian Masonry I can not recall a conversation about recreational drugs. Hardly any brethren smoked but quite few drank alcohol, to excess if they had been in the Vietnam war. Still it seems unlikely that all younger brethren abstained from recreational drugs. So as far as I can tell it is not an issue for the lodges to which I belong. The deeper question has several parts including: - is cannabis use inconsistent with spiritual growth - if legal, is it proper for brethren to facilitate its use - if legal, it it proper for Masonic institutions to permit its use in lodges It may be worth considering the instruction given by Don Juan to Castaneda in the use of mushrooms. The plant has an overlighting spirit. It is necessary to establish a proper relationship with the spirit in order to have a constructive experience. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda |
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Post by sammy on Nov 29, 2018 5:16:11 GMT 9.5
In 35 years in Australian Masonry I can not recall a conversation about recreational drugs. Hardly any brethren smoked but quite few drank alcohol, to excess if they had been in the Vietnam war. Still it seems unlikely that all younger brethren abstained from recreational drugs. So as far as I can tell it is not an issue for the lodges to which I belong. The deeper question has several parts including: - is cannabis use inconsistent with spiritual growth - if legal, is it proper for brethren to facilitate its use - if legal, it it proper for Masonic institutions to permit its use in lodges It may be worth considering the instruction given by Don Juan to Castaneda in the use of mushrooms. The plant has an overlighting spirit. It is necessary to establish a proper relationship with the spirit in order to have a constructive experience. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda
This is too true Paul. Don Juan gave a great insight into the spirit of fungus. Although Don's chosen spirit was "little smoke" and quite a bit more piercing from what he describes.
In this line of "spirit" and discussions we have had on the subject. Could this be a "channel" of shared consciousness that grows similar to reincarnation? Building off what it knows to find a higher "intelligence" level.
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Post by paul on Nov 29, 2018 8:09:55 GMT 9.5
>shared consciousness that grows similar to reincarnation? Building off what it knows to find a higher "intelligence" level.
Typically plants are overlighted on a group or landscape basis by a nature spirit. Similar entities operate the various subconscious aspects of humans. Nature spirits, when they have evolved sufficiently may aspire to the deva/angelic kingdom. To do this they must learn voice and the transmission of intent, and may do this by incarnating temporarily in the human kingdom. Such beings tend initially to work in industries that deal with their nature spirit friends e.g. foresters and geologists. They often have specific physical body types.
I had a female clerk, short with a strong jaw, a bit of a foot stamper. It seemed to me that she was a nature spirit from a volcano. So I said that to her and she said that of all things what she most liked was watching things melt.
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Post by sammy on Nov 29, 2018 8:52:12 GMT 9.5
>shared consciousness that grows similar to reincarnation? Building off what it knows to find a higher "intelligence" level. Typically plants are overlighted on a group or landscape basis by a nature spirit. Similar entities operate the various subconscious aspects of humans. Nature spirits, when they have evolved sufficiently may aspire to the deva/angelic kingdom. To do this they must learn voice and the transmission of intent, and may do this by incarnating temporarily in the human kingdom. Such beings tend initially to work in industries that deal with their nature spirit friends e.g. foresters and geologists. They often have specific physical body types. I had a female clerk, short with a strong jaw, a bit of a foot stamper. It seemed to me that she was a nature spirit from a volcano. So I said that to her and she said that of all things what she most liked was watching things melt. HAHA seems fitting.
Well if we go by "spirit only comes back for the next level of enlightenment". So if there is a nature spirit, it is only because that "spirit" has attained that level of enlightenment. Maybe not even attained but is just "that time".
In my story "A beginning?", it ended originally with "The same way you got here, through the Earth". At first I thought this meant natural inhibitors, like mushrooms. I came to realize there are infinite ways to connect to the Earth.
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Post by paul on Nov 29, 2018 13:27:55 GMT 9.5
>if we go by "spirit only comes back for the next level of enlightenment".
There are many entities and existences to which humans may attach the term "spirit". In my view we might be better served by more precise terminology
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Post by paul on Dec 1, 2018 15:13:45 GMT 9.5
People like to have things to believe even if nonsensical
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Post by sammy on Dec 11, 2018 8:03:50 GMT 9.5
>if we go by "spirit only comes back for the next level of enlightenment". There are many entities and existences to which humans may attach the term "spirit". In my view we might be better served by more precise terminology I have given this some good thought. I feel as though your right, but I lack the way to do so.
When I say "spirit" I am seeing a energy "strong" enough to influence thought. All "spirits" would be the same in this accordance. The difference being on how the "spirit" see's themselves I.E.: a God, a devil, an angel, a ghost etc....
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Post by paul on Dec 11, 2018 8:48:04 GMT 9.5
In a standard issue Earth human system there are two main streams of Spirit. One anchors in the heart (the flame in the heart) and this provides the life force to the system. (While most Earth humans have the standard source of Spirit, some live on more refined sources) The other stream of Spirit is supposed to anchor in the middle of the upper head - supporting consciousness - but can be displaced e.g. in autism. Thus any live cell in the human is alive by reason of its being in the flow of the Spirit that anchors in the heart. The Spirit contains intelligence and therefore the cell is intelligent - and indeed will respond intelligently to instruction - both constructive and destructive. Thus it is quite legitimate to regard each living cell as a micro-spirit. Spirit provides the life force for many entities often unrecognized by humans including mineral bodies, etheric structures, ecosystems and planets. Thus each of those may be regarded as a spirit with a body. >how the "spirit" see's themselves I.E.: a God, a devil, an angel, a ghost etc.... It may be useful to broaden your categories. Consider how native peoples look at their surroundings. For example in New Zealand there is a river that is now recognized as a legal person. www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/16/new-zealand-river-granted-same-legal-rights-as-human-being |
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Post by sammy on Dec 12, 2018 8:29:44 GMT 9.5
This is a prime example of my debacle, with Pauls and foxfires posts.
One side spirit is individual and independent.
Another side it all belongs to the origin energy (God/singularity).
If both make sense, I had to discover other possibilities for this to connect to each other.
It can be reclaimed (going back to a singularity), but it can also be given (choosing to give your spirit to the light). However if the stipulation is "all energy must be in one collective, or no two sides" then it would be dependent on all spirit energy being freely given to that source. If anything is missing it is not meeting the stipulations and must be reclaimed for a complete cycle.
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Post by paul on Dec 12, 2018 10:03:23 GMT 9.5
>it all belongs to the origin energy
It may be helpful to consider the intelligence implicit in Spirit and how it multiplexes.
For example, I can swim without any conscious attention at all. The Spirit in me is enabling many intelligent activities (trillions actually) almost all of them at at subconscious level.
Some of those intelligent activities run at cross purposes. For example I have just eaten some dessert that my mouth liked but I can feel that my stomach is not so pleased. Is that a failure of Spirit, or am I, a subset of Spirit, being allowed freedom to experience?
Why would the Source of All wish to experience through the emanation of Spirit? I do not know, but it is pretty clear to me that it does.
Does the Source of All place any limits on what it is prepared to experience? Again I do not know but it seems to me that I can feel the pressure that the Source of All places upon manifested Existence to move it forward.
Perhaps the answer philosophically is to find one's own relationship with Spirit and allow Spirit to show what it will of how it manages the rest of Existence.
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Post by sammy on Dec 15, 2018 2:53:51 GMT 9.5
Does the Source of All place any limits on what it is prepared to experience? Again I do not know but it seems to me that I can feel the pressure that the Source of All places upon manifested Existence to move it forward. Perhaps the answer philosophically is to find one's own relationship with Spirit and allow Spirit to show what it will of how it manages the rest of Existence. Perhaps so. |
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Post by sammy on Dec 15, 2018 3:01:49 GMT 9.5
A movie that I feel every extremely mature human brave & strong of decent heart should watch is Event Horizon (1997) - IMDb such is for the benefit such could be > Another side it all belongs to the origin energy (God/singularity). because earth might have improperly jumped an singularity as shown in even horizon movie & think like it as homom milk when froze u get an separation cream goes topside skim hence good & drab tastin milk residue / residuals ,., they were like wtf came back with the machine is the concern dark nite of soul whadda bing whadda boom & not allowing negetaive behavior to take hold on critters so both is necessary perhaps : kudos for pickin up on the lead properly , im not supposed to fork up this time time line too much just provide gentle nudges Has always been one of my favorites. I always thought Event Horizon seemed like it could be a prologue for the Hell Raiser movies too. The puzzle box being the portal and the portal working outside of space/time. Event Horizon happened in the future and was the beginning, puzzle box in the past and aftermath of Event.
I see your point in this. However for anything to come back "with the machine" you would have to be attached to it in some way. I guess the real question is, can we deny our own darkness?
In this respect I look for darkness in my life. I search for it to shine a light on the matter. Resolve what is not already so. For my own sake and for the sake of others around me. Darkness and light are contagious, it can spread through those around you. I would rather promote sight then blindness.
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Post by sammy on Dec 18, 2018 2:57:24 GMT 9.5
event horizon also explains an massive split & such similar issues like what if an seriously heavy matter were close by & such were keeping us bound to this domain ,., & sorta humans r in virus mode or zombies verses vampires per say & the zombies were humans on power energy drinks to keep moving getting dumber & vampires were those feeding off those in darkness spiritually / misled & Lucifer were like the fallen star or dark matter aka fallen one as an planet quite latterly who or that which did an uppercut on earth / earth domain interesting concept. |
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Post by paul on Dec 18, 2018 10:21:05 GMT 9.5
>Lucifer were like the fallen star
The Prince of Darkness and the Prince of Peace appear in the Sumerian accounts of the early stages of humanity on this planet.
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Post by sammy on Dec 20, 2018 2:49:34 GMT 9.5
>Lucifer were like the fallen star The Prince of Darkness and the Prince of Peace appear in the Sumerian accounts of the early stages of humanity on this planet. This thought leaves me with the impression of a "balance scale". |
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Post by paul on Dec 20, 2018 6:57:45 GMT 9.5
They were half-brothers. The younger was by the wife and inherited this planet and the older brother, by a concubine, was expected to follow the orders of the younger. There was a lot of conflict.
The elder brother bred the Earth humans as slaves and protected them against the younger who wanted them destroyed since they were too noisy and numerous.
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