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Post by seekinglight on May 24, 2018 2:59:51 GMT 9.5
I was recently raised and I have been noticing some internal activity.
On and off I can feel a good deal of energy in my feet and around my root chakra accompanied by a bit of anxiety.
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Post by paul on May 24, 2018 6:20:37 GMT 9.5
Are your feet blocking the energy flows to and from the Earth?
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Post by seekinglight on May 24, 2018 7:16:57 GMT 9.5
I've been trying the paper experiment for a bit, but can't get a clear visualization. The visualizations are very mediocre, but here's what I see:
1) When I visualize a piece of paper next to me that says "Feet blocking energy flows to and from the Earth", the paper wraps around my head
2) I see chains around my ankles
3) I see someone with a hammer and chisel working on a rough ashlar (this one surprised me)
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Post by paul on May 24, 2018 8:10:31 GMT 9.5
>visualizations are very mediocre
Try doing the flame in the heart for 5 min first.
In any case practicing visualization builds up the part of the light body that does that work - on each subplane upon which you practice.
>the paper wraps around my head
So the concept of blocking is more attracted to your head than your feet. What do you deduce?
>chains around my ankles
Two options come to mind:
- Visualize fish hooks near your feet. What happens?
- Visualize lifting one of your feet from the Earth. What happens with the chains?
>hammer and chisel working on a rough ashlar
This suggests that the work of the EA is yet to be complete. What is the inner work of the EA?
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Post by seekinglight on May 25, 2018 7:55:53 GMT 9.5
Just finished the flame in the heart (which also helped to reduce anxiety)
"So the concept of blocking is more attracted to your head than your feet. What do you deduce?"
Hard to say, but a few things come to mind: 1) My mind is blocking out my emotions. 2)There is a blockage in one of the chakras located in or above my head
"-Visualize fish hooks near your feet. What happens?"
The fish hook pieces my left and nothing else happens, but in the right it rips off part of my ankle and a gaseous substance emanates.
"-Visualize lifting one of your feet from the Earth. What happens with the chains?"
Left foot - the chains fall off and I stomp on them and crush them. Right foot - The chain is too heavy to get my foot more than a few cm off the ground.
"What is the inner work of the EA?"
If I recall correctly, it is establishing right relationship with the rest of existence. The only place I can think to start with that would be to become a vegetarian again and possibly do some volunteer work.
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Post by paul on May 25, 2018 13:43:10 GMT 9.5
>My mind is blocking out my emotions.
Quite likely and is your head not too transparent to the inflows from above?
> right it rips off part of my ankle.....
Look at the hook and see if you can find to whom/what it belongs. Visualize a line attached to the hook and follow it back to an entity.
See if you can identify the entity. Try matching it against various relatives including ancestors.
Give love (light from the heart) and ask the entity to take back the hook.
> Right foot - The chain is too heavy
So there is something about you that is too heavy so that you cannot lift your consciousness easily. Guess some possibilities and do the paper experiments.
>establishing right relationship with the rest of existence
Quite correct. And one of the learnings from the above is that you are still developing right relationships with your own internal intelligences.
The flame in the heart exercise is very useful for giving love to your various parts - even if you do not know what they are.
As for being vegetarian, that is useful for many people but not essential for inner growth. Note also that the over-souls of animal species are used to having their flock killed and eaten - unless they overlight a peak predator. The more important matter is proper respect for the animals. Killing terrified animals in a cruel way is not good karma and does not produce healthy meat - and then there is the widespread use of antibiotics and growth hormones.
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Post by fjrogers on May 26, 2018 15:56:20 GMT 9.5
> The flame in the heart exercise is very useful for giving love to your various parts - even if you do not know what they are.
This is a good point. The light generated in this exercise is very beneficial and has a healing effect.
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Post by lazarus on Jun 24, 2018 11:57:29 GMT 9.5
'proper respect for the animals'
how does one do that when at the same time he imprisons, enslaves, kills, chops, packs, sells and eats them?
'Killing terrified animals in a cruel way is not good karma'
so I´d be right to assert that killing emotionally balanced animals in a humane way produces good/no karma?
'does not produce healthy meat - and then there is the widespread use of antibiotics and growth hormones'
I´ve heard similar rationalizations uttered by people who can´t wait to eat the burger before removing the paper, and I know remarkably good, big hearted people, who simply cannot acknowledge the suffering of farm animals, but would outrageously file a complaint to the police should his neighbor fail to provide a house for the dog in winter time. how can that be?
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2018 14:55:43 GMT 9.5
>how does one do that when at the same time he imprisons, enslaves, kills, chops, packs, sells and eats them? The overlighting entities of the various species often respond well to gratitude from the human consumers. >killing emotionally balanced animals in a humane way produces good/no karma? It is traditional in many societies to have a ritual involved with the butchering of animals to ensure that the relevant spirits are appeased. How effective that might be would need to be observed on each occasion. I recall long ago in the Netherlands I went to an event were there was no vegetarian food (or perhaps I just felt it was impolite to refuse the main course). Anyway as I ate some veal I sent some love to the species and was surprised to get quite a positive response. It seemed that my appreciation was all that was required to legitimize the consumption. Here is a link to Greek butchers' dances. www.youtube.com/results?search_query=butchers+dance+greek>who simply cannot acknowledge the suffering of farm animals, but would outrageously file a complaint to the police should his neighbor fail to provide a house for the dog in winter time. how can that be? It is commonplace that people on small farms have difficulty eating the animals they know personally. I rather think this arises from emotional relationships with the animals. If there is no relationship and no knowledge of the slaughter then there is no problem. |
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Post by lazarus on Jun 25, 2018 7:57:48 GMT 9.5
'The overlighting entities of the various species often respond well to gratitude from the human consumers.'
You say 'often', so how about when they don´t? Anyway, I believe I get the point, but doesn´t such a statement relativizes pain and suffering on the physical plane? I mean, animal products can´t be produced without our appropriating of their freewill and completely terror/suffering/pain free. So how is that in accordance with ‘establishing right relationships with the rest of existence’? Also, which would be and how are the guidelines of these right relationships established?
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2018 15:43:53 GMT 9.5
> how about when they don´t?
There are some species where the entity does not like humans. The over-soul of rats comes to mind.
>animal products can´t be produced without our appropriating of their freewill and completely terror/suffering/pain free.
That is usually the case for factory production of meat but I doubt that is always the case. For example "country killed" meat is prized by some - presumably because the animal has been treated as an individual and killed close to home by a human rather than a machine.
I am not sure the freewill is present in most animals, particularly those that are commonly eaten.
> how is that in accordance with ‘establishing right relationships with the rest of existence’?
No doubt you have noticed how the cells in the ends of your fingers are disposable - for example if scrambling up a slope - despite each cell containing an intelligent entity.
It is the natural order that lesser lives serve greater lives and are sacrificed as required. This applies to humans also.
Thus animals understand that they fit into the natural order and they eat lesser lives (including plants) and their bodies are consumed by greater lives. The spiritual part of the animal generally lives on within the group energy field of the oversoul with the learnings accumulated there.
Respect for the species and its oversoul is necessary and it does no harm to give some thanks to the spirit of the individual animal and to its oversoul.
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Post by lazarus on Jun 25, 2018 23:35:40 GMT 9.5
> I am not sure the freewill is present in most animals, particularly those that are commonly eaten.
freewill is just a word. the point is, humanely or not, it is a species taking command of another one´s existence for its own selfish, self-centered reasons.
> No doubt you have noticed how the cells in the ends of your fingers are disposable - for example if scrambling up a slope - despite each cell containing an intelligent entity.
in itself this is a good point, but I´m talking about sentience, not intelligence.
> and they eat lesser lives (including plants) and their bodies are consumed by greater lives
here we have non-sentient life being consumed by sentient life vs sentient life being enslaved and consumed by sentient life.
> Thus animals understand that they fit into the natural order
Countless documented cases of terrorized animals trying to escape the green mile when they hear the screams of agony of their peers beyond the door offer clear evidence of the contrary. Of course a ‘country killed’ animal wouldn´t express fear seconds before the human it trusted its whole life pierces his throat, but that doesn´t make the thrust less painful or the situation less tragic. Quite the opposite.
I understand that the lack of moral/ethical and scientific support for a dairy/meat based diet leaves people only with metaphysics as a last resort for trying to equalize the debate, but I have to say, your complete disregard for sentience is somewhat disturbing. We are talking about appropriating of another sentient being´s life and putting an end to that life just because, when animal products have been proven completely unnecessary for human subsistence by the pythagoreans 500 BC. I´m sure you can check Liber M for that. It´s almost like it would be ok for you if a highly evolved alien species came to earth, captured and maintained your female relatives (or mine, doesn´t matter) in a controlled ‘humane’ environment, milked and made them breed according to their (the alien´s) needs, and slaughtered them for their meat and skin/fur when their bodies became unfertile. What I have a hard time getting my mind around is how can homo spiritualis support slavery, infliction of pain and murder?
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Post by paul on Jun 26, 2018 5:57:33 GMT 9.5
>how can homo spiritualis support slavery, infliction of pain and murder?
This of course is a real problem for sensitive vegetarians. Some of the plants (or their nature spirits) are quite unhappy about being eaten by humans and other animals.
I recall the woman next door was hacking into a bush on the common boundary. I was surprised to find that the bush did not mind. So I asked her how she was achieving that - she was a standard Christian. And she replied that bushes are just like children. You have to keep explaining to them what you are doing.
Recently I was heavily pruning some shrubs that were in flower. Normally such bushes (or their nature spirits) get quite upset at the loss of their flowers - but I have discovered that if I leave the pruned flowers next to the bush then there is little emotional disturbance. The flowers die over a couple of days then the bush is quite happy to have them removed.
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Post by lazarus on Jun 26, 2018 8:18:42 GMT 9.5
*This of course is a real problem for sensitive vegetarians.
It´s quite not a matter of vegetarian sensitiveness but a real doubt. It seems a logical conclusion that the highest expression of the fourth sephirah mode should include both denser and subtler planes. I have no subtler senses developed, so I just do the best I can with the data I have at my disposal and my reasoning abilities.
*Some of the plants (or their nature spirits) are quite unhappy about being eaten by humans and other animals.
Even if one treats them with proper respect and shows gratitude? also, by 'quite unhappy' you mean plants scream and agonize in pain (in their own way)? What I´m asking is, is their level of suffering in any way comparable to what animals or humans feel when slayed?
Anyway, I´m pretty sure you could elaborate much better on this, but I have full respect for your choice of not stepping in the discussion. thanks again for the responses, paul.
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Post by elijah on Jun 26, 2018 8:49:37 GMT 9.5
Even if one treats them with proper respect and shows gratitude?
From working with my plants over many years i believe respect , gratitude and communication will keep plants much more happy and connected to my psychic senses they speak to me and grow quicker when i pay attention to the thought forms they throw my way...on the other hand some plants don't like to be messed with... i have a poinsetta who was literally taking all the air out my room during the winter months i told it please stop and it didn't listen so i moved it to another room ...it started loosing leafs and wilting and gave me quite a nasty vibe...i told it i was SORRY im gonna remove your dead leaves and prune you a bit so you don't die...well today not only is it very vibrant but when i go near it it greets me with much better energy ..i also placed it around my personal <familiar> nightshades so they can ensure it my respect..
also, by 'quite unhappy' you mean plants scream and agonize in pain (in their own way)?
plants are more subtly psychic in communication...they tend to express themselves threw thoughtforms...not so much emotional or body language like animals...
What I´m asking is, is their level of suffering in any way comparable to what animals or humans feel when slayed?
its only non-comparable in terms of how the senses pick up the energy's released during the slaughter...for example plants don't give off any sensory input...animals give off many inputs... humans greatly open up emotional and empathy channels this is why most people need to be trained to kill ..or be in a state of depersonalization to carry out murder...the dove offers its throat to be cut in sacrificial ritual or so its perceived...personal will and reason for the intent of slaughter seems to be were karmic repercussions lie if one believes in karma.....fasting increases my sensitivity to energy's ...threw the years i stopped telling people why it's right or wrong ... the topic usually leads to emotional tugs of war which tend to drain both mental and solar plexus centers...it's best to be Secretive when practicing diet for occult or spiritual reasons...
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Post by paul on Jun 26, 2018 9:02:13 GMT 9.5
>I have no subtler senses developed I very much doubt that. Most people can tell from the atmosphere in a room they enter if an argument has occurred there recently. >Even if one treats them with proper respect and shows gratitude? At the level of the plants there is usually a mechanism of producing toxic substances including lectins to poison the attackers. www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/foods-high-in-lectinsI am not sure whether individual plants will turn it off at request - in part because very few plants have their own nature spirit. Ficus religiosa are an obvious exception. See if you can sense the nature spirit sitting on top of this one - looking rather like a spheroid of pale golden light  >by 'quite unhappy' you mean plants scream and agonize in pain It is well known that humans can feel emotional and mental pain. The plant nature spirits are usually focused on the emotional plane but some extend into the mental. Some telepathic experiments have shown that plants are much more sensitive to fire than to being cut. The plants cringe at the human thought of burning them. There are also planetary and (solar) systemic nature spirits that can operate well beyond the frequencies of most humans. The concept of Gaia relates. > is their level of suffering in any way comparable to what animals or humans feel when slayed? I am not sure that comparing sensitive plants to, for example insensitive (e.g. drugged) humans is particularly useful approach. Perhaps it might be worth considering the typical challenge on the 2nd sub-plane of the emotional: "6.2 Desire for Good. The junior initiate hopes that there will be one set of things/decisions that can please or be good for everyone. Of course there is not and eventually the initiate discovers that they just have to make a call and everyone has to put up with the results." a406.proboards.com/thread/973/21-steps-enlightenment?page=1 |
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Post by lazarus on Jun 26, 2018 10:11:03 GMT 9.5
Hello elijah
*for example plants don't give off any sensory input...animals give off many inputs
*plants are more subtly psychic in communication...they tend to express themselves threw thoughtforms...not so much emotional or body language like animals...
Sure, that´s why my question was, once I have no first-hand knowledge of how plants deal with being reaped, eaten or cooked, for example, how would their experience of being murdered or slashed to pieces compare to ours or animals´ in the same circumstances, all due proportions kept.
*or be in a state of depersonalization to carry out murder
This is a very important point when we talk about ‘establishing right relationships with the rest of existence’, because wherever there is an animal product like meat, some hygiene product or a leather jacket, there it is a person whose brutalization and desensitization has been necessary for that product to be manufactured. A subject worthy some deep meditation, I believe.
Thanks for the response, brother!
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Post by lazarus on Jun 26, 2018 11:20:44 GMT 9.5
*The plants cringe at the human thought of burning them.
Right now I have to take your word on that. The day I obtain first-hand knowledge of that circumstance I won´t be able to pledge ignorance about it anymore, and I´ll be forced to make a choice. And I guess that choice will determine who I am or ‘where I´ll be at’ from that day on.
*See if you can sense the nature spirit sitting on top of this one - looking rather like a spheroid of pale golden light
No, I can´t…
*"6.2 Desire for Good (…)"
All this is granted. But that won´t make us disagree about the basics, I guess, like pain is a bad feeling; it´s good to eat when we are hungry; it´s bad when it´s cold and we have no means to keep ourselves warm. Good to feel healthy, bad to be stabbed on the back by one we thought to be our best friend; Good to be free, bad to be a slave, and so on…
The thing is we live in a world where enslavement, pain and death inflicted by our species over the ‘lesser’ ones for food, vivisection, clothing, work or entertainment are merely options, which, of course, people are entirely free to keep encouraging and outsourcing, or not.
By the way, paul, I saw your post about speciesism, and I guess the example of the alien race I offered fits exactly in the category. Should they help us evolve as our elder brothers on the path, or should they drain our bodies to death, if they will establish the ‘right relationship’ with our species?
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Post by paul on Jun 26, 2018 12:27:47 GMT 9.5
>No, I can´t…
Project into the image until you are near the trunk of the tree then rise up a few meters above the top leaves. Can you feel the change in energy? You may have a physical reaction.
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Post by paul on Jun 26, 2018 12:34:43 GMT 9.5
>the alien race ... Should they help us evolve as our elder brothers on the path, or should they drain our bodies to death, if they will establish the ‘right relationship’ with our species? It seems that there may be as many as 100 alien races present on this planet. Some of them are keen to help but there seems to be some limit imposed upon their help. This may relate to the view that human spirit-souls are incarnating on this planet to learn particular skills. There seem to be exploitative aliens races of which the ancient texts offer many accounts. There also seem to be alien races that are neutral observers. Almost all the human spirit-souls having incarnated on/in this planet are thereby directly subject to planetary karma and to systemic karma. Some of this can be seen in the millennia of wars in the Middle East. Thus with any particular exploitation of an Earth human there may be many factors in play. Here is a thread about entities that manage karmic energies - but do not direct its out-working. a406.proboards.com/thread/1272/brethren-shadowed-light |
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