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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 20:26:05 GMT 9.5
It is my understanding that the Temple we work so hard to build may be desecrated by the same builder with acts in violent contrast to the principles upon which it is built.
For example the Royal Arch may be torn down, and with renewed effort built up once again, this takes time and desecration opens the builder up to many dangers.
Of course no person in their right mind would deliberately go about destroying something of such great value, but in periods of spiritual blindness unskilful actions can be devastating.
Is this understanding illusory or accurate, and if so do Masons normally discuss this principle or include as part of ceremony or instruction guidance on such matters?
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Sept 30, 2015 23:50:01 GMT 9.5
The fact that there is a difference between following the rules and understanding rules seems pertinent here. It is inevitable every human learns a set of rules, either by instruction or by chance, that they use to navigate their world. A good set of rules assists one in building a Temple rather than a carnival. Those who blindly follow a set of rules without gaining a true understanding of them is easily led astray. I find your statement "in periods of spiritual blindness unskillful actions can be devastating" to be very insightful. To be "in ones right mind" implies the ability to see and understand things correctly. The phrases "to see clearly" and "to understand" are descriptions not of reality, but of our reaction to reality. That tiny space between perception and reaction is where the power of the Wisdom needs to rule. It is that tiny space that determines what kind of Temple each of us builds.
So I think the answer to your question is yes. A man can desecrate his own Temple. Many are so spiritually blind that they do not even know that they are doing it. You ask, "do Masons normally discuss this principle?". The Masons that I know normally do not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 0:26:35 GMT 9.5
Thanks for you considered response pwac, plenty of food for thought there.
> That tiny space between perception and reaction is where the power of the Wisdom needs to rule.
Yes indeed, nicely put. I think the apparent size of that tiny space is proportional to the awareness focused upon it. To an enlightened one it might just appear as large as the sky with the pillars of wisdom holding it aloft.
> A good set of rules assists one in building a Temple rather than a carnival.
LOL, be very careful who you get your blueprint from.
> The Masons that I know normally do not.
I can understand why not, but at the same time it seems a pity. For I suspect that even the best of us, sometimes, at the very least deface our great work. But maybe I do others an injustice in judging by my own standards.
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Post by paul on Oct 1, 2015 7:35:31 GMT 9.5
>It is my understanding that the Temple we work so hard to build may be desecrated by the same builder with acts in violent contrast to the principles upon which it is built. The term "temple" is a somewhat simple metaphor and does not support much analysis of the type of problems that can arise. A good practical book to start with is www.amazon.com/Spirit-Releasement-Therapy-Technique-Manual/dp/092991516XIt is also worth considering a406.proboards.com/thread/973/21-steps-enlightenment>For example the Royal Arch may be torn down It is perhaps more accurate to consider the Holy Royal Arch as the arch of the heavens that revolves around the Pole Star from which the Most High is said to have come. > do Masons normally discuss this principle or include as part of ceremony or instruction guidance on such matters? There are very few brethren that have an interest in the technical aspects of inner growth. Nevertheless there are aspects of the ritual that parallel these matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 16:32:13 GMT 9.5
> The term "temple" is a somewhat simple metaphor and does not support much analysis of the type of problems that can arise. Agreed, it's the best I've got at the moment though to explain what I understand. However, I believe the temple to be a complex structure, of pillars, tiles, concentric layers, spirals, arches and, including levels and other details which I believe can fully explain what we are. I think the 21 steps to enlightenment, the planes and sub-planes is one part of the model of the reality in which we exist. It is this I refer to. I believe we construct this, and I believe we can deconstruct it also. > It is also worth considering a406.proboards.com/thread/973/21-steps-enlightenmentI'll read the thread again. Thanks. > It is perhaps more accurate to consider the Holy Royal Arch as the arch of the heavens that revolves around the Pole Star from which the Most High is said to have come. Do you think there is a microcosmic analogue to the HRA you describe? As above.. As within ... and all that. Each of us I believe builds an arch at some point in the process. Nature being self similar at many levels. > A good practical book to start with is www.amazon.com/Spirit-Releasement-Therapy-Technique-Manual/dp/092991516XI've just added it to my Amazon wish list, and hope to buy it soon. Thank you. > Nevertheless there are aspects of the ritual that parallel these matters. I'll do some research on that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 23:31:18 GMT 9.5
The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry Manly P. Hall
"We may first consider the murderers of Hiram. These three ruffians, who, when the Builder seeks to leave his temple, strike him with the tools of his own Craft until finally they slay him and bring the temple down in destruction upon their own heads, symbolize the three expressions of our own lower natures which are in truth the murderers of the good within ourselves. These three may be called thought, desire, and action. When purified and transmuted they are three glorious avenues through which may manifest the great life power of the three kings, the glowing builders of the Cosmic Lodge manifesting in this world as spiritual thought, constructive emotion, and useful daily labour in the various places and positions where we find ourselves while carrying on the Master's work."
MindIts mysteries and control By Sri Swami Sivananda
"Mind is compared to a TEMPLE (Mano-Mandira). When the mind is purified, when the evil Vrittis such as lust, greed, etc., are destroyed, the Lord takes His seat in the mind and so it becomes the temple of the Lord."
Corinthians
Don’t you understand that together you form a temple to the living God and His Spirit lives among you? If someone comes along to corrupt, vandalize, and destroy the temple of God, you can be sure that God will see to it that he meets destruction because the temple of God is sacred. You, together, are His temple.
The Body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
There are a number of ways we can use the word temple, but when I asked the question, I meant the personal temple, that each of us builds to contain the Holy Spirit. With the risk of being obvious I'm trying to not make too many assumptions and hope to be clear, yet the more I state the less I realise I know.
So how is it that we each can be a temple, and that collectively we are a temple? Is it simply that a temple in its most basic function is that which contains the Holy Spirit? Vessels within vessels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 23:33:45 GMT 9.5
That's a nice antidote to this thread, that nothing is permanent and all is in flux..
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Post by elijah on Oct 2, 2015 7:11:47 GMT 9.5
So how is it that we each can be a temple, and that collectively we are a temple? Is it simply that a temple in its most basic function is that which contains the Holy Spirit? Vessels within vessels. <<So how is it that we each can be a temple? n my experience we each build are own temple for the holy spirit to dwell within us without blockage of the divine light so to speak... but there are many invisible influences which distort or corrupt this connection threw one or more of the bodies ... be it emotional mental astral... this is why Spirit Releasement Therapy and other similar approaches can be beneficial... <<and that collectively we are a temple? Yup it seems that way to me ...God is always watching...can one operate threw that watching eye to see beyond the dualistic world... this is why a clean properly built temple is so important without it certain realizations can be manipulated by invisible forces ... intuitively i believe a true master mason can actually operate threw this eye at will and control reality on a level with just mere intent and thought... "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." - Albert Einstein
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Post by elijah on Oct 2, 2015 8:03:24 GMT 9.5
There is a very esoteric aspect of the mandala and the temple ... that is rarely discussed and i believe for the benefit of most humans it should be... as one can become damaged if not aware what they are doing...but for those interested this video explains some more metaphysical and interdimensional aspects of the mandala ....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 17:48:37 GMT 9.5
> It is perhaps more accurate to consider the Holy Royal Arch as the arch of the heavens that revolves around the Pole Star from which the Most High is said to have come. Does the Royal Arch connect North and South poles? The Hidden Life in Freemasonry by C. W. Leadbeater 33° (Of Jachin and Boaz) 'It is claimed that these two columns originally represented the north and south pole-stars. They were at first the pillars of Horus and Set, but their names were afterwards changed to Tat or Ta-at, and Tattu, the former meaning “in strength” and the latter “to establish”, the two together being considered as the emblem of stability. Tattu is the entrance to the region where the mortal soul is blended with the immortal spirit, and thereby established for ever' The Temple Legend'One of the secrets belonging to the highest degree of our Order consists in providing the appropriately conditioned Brother with the practical means of erecting the true Temple of Solomon within Man' "Man" I presume in this context means mankind. Is the Sun and Moon, J&B and the Royal Arch not only present within the context of Man as a whole, but also for each of us men and women individually? Royal Arch Tracing Board
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 18:26:20 GMT 9.5
> A good set of rules assists one in building a Temple rather than a carnival.
On thinking about this a bit more, actions that cause 'destruction' in a very well ordered structure would just be a normal part of the melee of a carnival. I think that the further along the process of building we get the more amplified indiscretions seem.
Just to clarify, I used the word violent earlier in the sense of "having some quality so strongly as to produce a powerful effect."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 19:32:33 GMT 9.5
> within us without blockage of the divine light so to speak.
I'm not sure I understand that very well, is that blocking by others? I am familiar with the 'evil' of a leaking vessel though. Can you say any more on that? I wonder how we can be denied the divine light.
> intuitively i believe a true master mason can actually operate threw this eye at will and control reality on a level with just mere intent and thought...
I agree. I wonder if we do this at every level, but the power level is just not high enough to render it well, meaning that when the intention is single pointed we stabilise the the rendering of it. Without single pointed focus and intention maybe we create too much destructive interference between conflicting thought forms and they just cancel each other out.
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2015 19:33:32 GMT 9.5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 20:20:06 GMT 9.5
>(Of Jachin and Boaz) 'It is claimed that these two columns originally represented the north and south pole-stars. They were at first the pillars of Horus and Set "There was a southern Annu and a northern Annu in Egypt, ...The original meaning of Annu appears to have been the place of the pillar or stone, that marked the foundation which preceded the..." books.google.com.au/books?id=ED-kAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT353&lpg=PT353&dq=northern+southern+egypt+pillar&source=bl&ots=Myek0kSyKG&sig=HpYCujabwpfEmemT7irf2E18lZs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAWoVChMIp6TH2cKjyAIVC7cUCh0AXAI8#v=onepage&q=northern%20southern%20egypt%20pillar&f=false Note that An means heaven in Sumerian, from which we get Anu (TMH), Annunaki, Annedotus, Anakim, etc. Note also that the name of Jacob (who slept on stone pillow) comes from the Sumerian and means a stone pillar dedicated to the god Ea --- Yes, well worth the time to lay that out, there is much to uncover in the Sumerian roots. > Better perhaps to consider that the signs of the zodiac are part of the arch of the heavens as it rotates and the human (when properly formed) is a microcosm of the macrocosm. Exactly my point also, I'm glad we both agree on that. Following on from that, does the human build his own arch as part of that process? >>Does the Royal Arch connect North and South poles? > The arch of the heavens rotates around the (north) Pole Star en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_star Do you disagree with Leadbeater in this quote? 'It is claimed that these two columns originally represented the north and south pole-stars.' This depiction below makes what you state clearer to me.
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2015 20:35:34 GMT 9.5
>does the human build his own arch in part of that process? It is perhaps better to ask how Man is a microcosm. What is the mechanism that enables the microcosm relationship to exist? > 'It is claimed that these two columns originally represented the north and south pole-stars.' I rather think that the 2 columns were functional rather than representational. Consider for example the Lock in Doris Lessing's Shikasta. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikasta
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 20:41:23 GMT 9.5
> I rather think that the 2 columns were functional rather than representational.
I fully agree. The representations are there to guide us to understand the function of the pillars.
>>does the human build his own arch in part of that process?
> It is perhaps better to ask how Man is a microcosm. What is the mechanism that enables the microcosm relationship to exist?
Perhaps it is, but these are big questions.
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Post by elijah on Oct 3, 2015 9:34:16 GMT 9.5
I believe it can be blocked by humans or invisible entity's that absorb the vital energy given to us by this light causeing conflict in certain bodys such as emotional mental astral ...
THE INVISIBLE INFLUENCES FREEDOM FROM THE EFFECTS OF BODILESS ENTITIES By Živorad Mihajlović-Slavinski
This is a good book on the subject...I have put some of these practices to use i also came up with my own exercises and noticed first hand some interesting metaphysical effects ...
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Post by paul on Oct 3, 2015 9:43:00 GMT 9.5
THE INVISIBLE INFLUENCES FREEDOM FROM THE EFFECTS OF BODILESS ENTITIES That looks an interesting book. I will read it. There is of course the on-going problem of entities that are not what they say. I seem to meet some of them each week. I find that if I know what their proper functions are, then with some cultivation those entities come into better balance and are not as aggressive.
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Post by fjrogers on Oct 5, 2015 10:04:25 GMT 9.5
> There is of course the on-going problem of entities that are not what they say.
It can be very misleading for aspirants when entities are not what they say they are. It's a matter of learning how to read these entities and understanding their agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 16:16:42 GMT 9.5
Mark 2:22 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ... Matthew 9:17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ... Luke 24:32 ► They said to each other, "Didn't our hearts burn within us as he talked with us on the road and explained the Scriptures to us? Huh wonder what these scripture are on about That's interesting isn't it. "Freemasonry build its temples among the nations and in the hearts of men"
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