I practice this now everyday ....mostly in a relaxed quite setting but i did it when standing in line at the grocery or walking in the park ...the other day while waiting in a long line i figured lemme practice and see what would happen what i noticed was the heat came upon me quickly and i got the tunnel vision effect..but i felt as if others in the line where adding to my heat as if there energy was being used also to some extant...if this practice would be done in a group setting would the effect be amplified??
I been using a blue flame with a white undertone and gold outline i start small and increase its size what i noticed is alot of heat now visualization of flame increases to my whole body becomes the flame is this correct? when i done this i get a very strong almost hypnotic effect?..with a pronounced light feeling in my limbs....also i don't know if this is a effect from this exercise or just me.... it seems to have increased my awareness to the energy im putting out or receiving like a dimmer light where i can control the contrast...interesting indeed ...
Post by pointwithinacircle on Apr 7, 2015 22:17:19 GMT 9.5
I am still working through my resistance to this exercise. It takes more mental energy than I anticipated to control the feelings that arise. Even thinking thinking about doing the exercise creates an uncomfortable feeling. I continue to work through these feelings but there seems to be some cause behind the resistance.
a new manifestation is taking place when i practice this now ...its as if my eyes feel like they are crossing like when one intentionally crosses there eyes... but they are not crossing...instead it seems like they start to focus on a point in the center of my vision (thirdeye)? ....also the flame is not generating alot of heat as with first attempts ...but immediately i find my self in a state of trance and extreme focus...the flame is mostly blue now with a bit of gold and white and i tend to visualize my self engulfed in the light kinda like Doctor Manhattan from the watchmen comic book...
but the most strangest phenomenon i been experiencing is these lessons im being taught in dreams ...is as if im slowly being shown events and some sort of guidance or teacher... is showing me how to tune my conscious to merge in the dreamstate... so i don't lose my conscious in certain scenarios that involve emotional responses its very hard to explain... and its like while im sleeping certain brain synapses are being turned on and im aware of it...im not caught in the confusion of the emotional plane? i would say....intuitively i feel as if this exercise has some effect on this.. including other studys im putting to practice..
>also the flame is not generating alot of heat as with first attempts ..
The flame of spirit is cool. Mostly the heat is "friction" within the lower bodies.
> lessons im being taught in dreams ...is as if im slowly being shown events and some sort of guidance or teacher.
Which is where the real teaching mostly occurs
>so i don't lose my conscious in certain scenarios that involve emotional responses
Learning to be self-observant rather than being lost in the event?
Control of emotions must be substantially developed before the junior initiate is sufficiently reliable to be allowed closer to the centre of the inner group.
Learning to be self-observant rather than being lost in the event?
yes perfectly stated.... its as if im slowly being integrated to observe rather then get lost in the moment...it seems as if emotional carryover during certain scenarios plays a big role...like im watching myself react and learning from it....also its not like a lucid dream where theres that sudden jolt and im fully immersed and bursting with elation.....where that sort of inception thing happens i start getting stuck in the dream or i just wake up...this is more like coming into form like im being conditioned to easily merge into the dream and function normally ....since using this flame exercise it seems the process has sped up...
and as you say inner group... it seems like i was at a meeting with people and a few family members in it... and i was being told certain things about certain people and events ...nothing quite odd or gossipy ....but as if i was given other reasons about waking situations...
The flame of spirit is certainly cool and stable. Control of emotions is definitely vital prior to progress toward the inner circle. Self-observance is vital.
Distant peaks emerge....clear as day. The hermit's lantern turns to guide the way. Hermit's Way - F. J. Rogers
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Distant peaks emerge....clear as day. The hermit's lantern turns to guide the way. Hermit's Way - F. J. Rogers
I can now separate the light <flame> body from myself and observe objects at a distance and energy fields of people.... intuitively i sometimes feel that i should not do it out of the respect of others..when not used properly i feel the drain it takes on my circuits ....
Post by pointwithinacircle on Nov 24, 2015 23:42:45 GMT 9.5
I have with one problem with exercises like this. While at first they seem to have some effect, for me they quickly de-volve into a kind of rote boring drudgery. When I was first introduced to esoteric practice I was given the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram to practice. I did it everyday for two years. I was able to perform it, but I never felt like it was doing anything. I kept hoping that I would come to understand it, but that never happened. The only effect it had was to make me doubt myself.
I figure it like this: either a person is perfect (doesn't happen very often) or they carry some damage to their Psyche/mind/self/whatever. I am becoming afraid that the damage to my Psyche may be so great that I can never break through. Perhaps the part of me that the ritual is supposed to work on is so damaged that I cannot do whatever the ritual is supposed to do. The more I try to do the work the worse I feel. If two years isn't enough time for me to see progress how long does it take?
I hope no one finds this self revealing account in bad taste. I do not mean to be critical. I am just curious why this does not appear to work for me.
>I was given the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram to practice. I did it everyday for two years. I was able to perform it, but I never felt like it was doing anything.
One of the interesting things with testing people for psychic abilities is that there are roughly 3 groups:
- those that regularly get too many right - those that regularly get average results - those that regularly get too many wrong.
It is as if that last group has some subconscious need to prove that psychic powers do not exist but overdo the proof - thereby demonstrating psychic powers.
The flame in the heart exercise should bypass those issues since it seeks to connect directly to Spirit.
I have with one problem with exercises like this. While at first they seem to have some effect, for me they quickly de-volve into a kind of rote boring drudgery. When I was first introduced to esoteric practice I was given the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram to practice. I did it everyday for two years. I was able to perform it, but I never felt like it was doing anything. I kept hoping that I would come to understand it, but that never happened. The only effect it had was to make me doubt myself.
I figure it like this: either a person is perfect (doesn't happen very often) or they carry some damage to their Psyche/mind/self/whatever. I am becoming afraid that the damage to my Psyche may be so great that I can never break through. Perhaps the part of me that the ritual is supposed to work on is so damaged that I cannot do whatever the ritual is supposed to do. The more I try to do the work the worse I feel. If two years isn't enough time for me to see progress how long does it take?
I hope no one finds this self revealing account in bad taste. I do not mean to be critical. I am just curious why this does not appear to work for me.
It seems there has to be a underyling reason to use these techniques...if there is no reason or use behind it the mind body connection gets bored...when i first actually projected the flame body outside of myself i was on a train and a guy was staring at me intuition kicks in and i felt like there was entity present in this guy trying to link up with my psyche nothing good or bad just noticeable...almost automatically i kinda projected the flame body outside of myself about 15 feet down the train car and saw a certain expression existing within this guy i gave it a its cool all love but i do notice you...i wasn't staring in this guys direction either just projecting threw the mind...people who seem psychically sensitive tend to notice and this breaks my concentration...this is a great exercise to notice entity's or intelligences existing within others and when intelligences attach to oneself...the only way i can explain it is a higher form of imagination that has instant results in the physical world ..
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Sooner or later Males and females or whatever will join in unison ... With Heart chakra engagement locked along with root and crown chakra
Would you say this occurs on the astral and drains into the physical...seems like me and the mother of my child are coming online in the dream world like serious interactions teamwork during some heavy dreams ala 3 hours of sleep feels like a whole days rest..im also noticing her attunement in the spiritual process in the waking world without any influence on my part... and i know for a fact me and her been at this together for o say at least a hundred lifetimes lol...
Last Edit: Nov 25, 2015 23:41:20 GMT 9.5 by elijah
Of course not .... i already know the answer to this one ... tho group think seems too travel in a synchronistic platform that is subtle but yet noticable imo...maybe its all these wifi signals and celltowers...
I wonder what observations are being made of the size, shape and colour of the flame in the heart
Size of a basketball held at arms length. Shaped like the sun. Looked like the sun but with a beautifel mottled emerald green external layer over the 'fiery?' interior.
I love my heart flame image, it can keep me going when I want to give up.
Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting…trailing clouds of glory do we come from God, who is our home -Wordsworth