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Post by sapientia3579 on Oct 29, 2014 21:39:29 GMT 9.5
greetings Brothers ,Fellows, & Seekers.
This topic has been spoken of by Masonic writers from time to time, that the true MM OR Iinitiate of the Mysteries must evolve the ability to be in control of his/her of collective experience, hence the concept " your outer inviroment is the direct reflection of your inner inviroment,(as w/in,so w/out). Ill. Bro Rex Hutchinson presents in his work on the SR Degrees a question to the aspiring SR Mason for his contemplation & Meditation "Are you in control of your own life." Again," Is the universe friendly to you." Don't get me wrong I understand that our evolution demands that we step on the black squares and the white, bringing to mind the Emulation DD. " the checkered floor is for the H. Priest to walk on" meaning among other things that we must learn to rise above the alternating swing of pendulum of the good and the bad experiences we encounter from day to day, knowing both to be equally asentaul to our evolution. Is it possible, my breathren to evolve to the point that we can learn to influence the environment we experience by altering in a metaphysical way the the spiritual archetype that gives birth to them.... Thoughts breathren.....
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Post by paul on Oct 30, 2014 12:01:45 GMT 9.5
>Is it possible, ... to influence the environment we experience by altering in a metaphysical way the the spiritual archetype that gives birth to them.
It is not only the spiritual archetype but also lower levels that influence the environment.
Many years ago I lived in a community in northern Scotland and there were public tours provided each day. I took on the Sunday tours and for more than a year was out from 2pm to 4pm each Sunday and was never rained on or snowed on - despite the often gloomy climate.
Each Sunday morning I would work with a radionics practitioner to help with diagnosis etc. About 11am I would look out the window and it would be pouring rain. So we would treat the community for clarity of consciousness (about half were her direct clients) and 2 hours later, without fail the rain would stop.
The apparent mechanism was that if the community was clear in its consciousness, the weather immediately followed.
Of course humans do not have exclusive influence on the climate.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 2, 2014 19:57:21 GMT 9.5
I have always imagined my thoughts, words and deeds might affect the atmosphere and that atmosphere affects everything else for good or bad. I am not sure atmosphere is the tight word to use, but you get the drift. Bad things can and do happen to good people ... maybe one lifetime is not enough to see the full picture of causes, consequences etc. Re the question "are you in control of your own life? ... to be in control of one's own life, one will probably need to take control away from someone else - in my experience I have found it helpful to do what you can and leave the rest to God... take your hand off the wheel sometimes
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Post by paul on Nov 3, 2014 6:56:59 GMT 9.5
>do what you can and leave the rest to God
One of the skills of the initiate is recognising cycles. When the tide is in, it is time to paddle. When the tide is out, it is time for preparation and building.
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Post by sapientia3579 on Nov 3, 2014 10:25:12 GMT 9.5
That's an interesting subject I've got a book by a Rosicrucian author on that very subject, haven't got around to read it yet, however seeing your post I think I'm gona check it out. Thanks
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Post by elijah on Nov 3, 2014 19:28:09 GMT 9.5
i believe love and righteousness as well as proper judgement control and isolation of lower emotional bondage proper diet and strong willed goal setting to mind chattering fantasy's that tend to haunt us,some for a lifetime brings truth and struggle which once seen as the development of the whole soul no matter how tragic or confusing can thus find a proper balance of spirit and flesh when one is cognitively aware of coincidence reoccurring with 3d lucidity and the dynamics of social human reaction molding awareness at the moment or memory's moment we can master our fate and literally create a Godly reality one which angles truth and love yet i believe higher beings are always watching making sure only so much can be built
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Post by paul on Nov 3, 2014 20:17:01 GMT 9.5
>we can master our fate
within the limits of group/national/planetary karma
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Post by paul on Nov 3, 2014 20:26:02 GMT 9.5
> strong willed goal setting to mind chattering fantasy's
The content of the mind may appear random, but this appearance is deceptive. The question rather is: Whence comes the content?
The second question is: Whence comes the will?
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Post by elijah on Nov 4, 2014 16:26:10 GMT 9.5
Whence comes the content? i tend to think From the Spirit how many incarnations the spirit has and planetary zones which house the spirit and to the extent of the burdens that weighed down the heart threw incarnations i believe that our parents grandparents etc can house many burdens yet some more then others resonate threw out future incarnations right now i see certain goals my father always talks about and yet even if offered he would still not have the WILL power to take them on thus will he be burdened by them in death who knows? but now that i notice these subtle ancestral desires, dreams that trickle down from pass to future incarnations i believe for the betterment of THE SOUL in theory i should bring these desires to reality manifest what my ancestors willed to a degree especially when i notice the common bond me my father and grandfather shared in certain sublime ways to these aspects of certain goals and desires,I've also noticed this in many familys where children not take on the burden of the parent for the greater good of the ancestral soul but in reverse they keep the component of fear doubt and shear lack of will always in darkness which tends to manifest in congenital or inherited disease , vices, lower energetic disturbances sexual dysfunction, almost as like saying shine the light on me make me real so i can exists even if its temporary ive been in the mind of your fathers for hundreds of years The second question is: Whence comes the will? Now this is tricky question as i read in this thread a406.proboards.com/thread/561/i have been using exercises to catch myself thinking thoughts that are not free but tend to manifest when certain people or spirits impose there will or try to catch my attention i believe this can have a impact on how me master our faith thus a strong willed character does not make one wiser but can lead one into a certain void of incompleteness thus i believe that true will comes from A light heart wisdom builds beauty threw strength no matter the form it takes thy will be done only when one is in proper spiritual and physical states otherwise it can come in various ways such as unsensed spirits,other peoples vampiric energy residue ,alter egos,and those little test of life in itself that can make or break some which leads me to Free will which i compare to the dualistic nature of earth and the dark mattered nature of expanding space it can be molded into any shape if ones sets proper foundation or it can muddy the waters and break spiritual foundations for many incarnations to come for example the so called family curse
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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2014 19:20:42 GMT 9.5
>>Whence comes the content?
>i tend to think From the Spirit
Although it is quite common that murderers say that the voice in their head told them to do it.
>i have been using exercises to catch myself thinking thoughts that are not free
A good idea as few humans can claim control of thoughts
> i believe that true will comes from A light heart
That is a fair statement but what if most humans do not have true will, as demonstrated by greed and violence and hatred?
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Post by elijah on Nov 4, 2014 20:54:05 GMT 9.5
That is a fair statement but what if most humans do not have true will, as demonstrated by greed and violence and hatred?
Acceptance for if i judge them i would in turn judge myself since our senses work in a dualistic realm freewill reigns supreme in natural order but with so many traps for the soul on spiritual and material levels the voices in the head might become all out physical manifestation of somthing stronger willed with sinister natures brought from negative thought form into negative form so in certain situations i would not disrupt the group karmic dynamic nor would i try since i must arrived at that momentary place for a reason..but if one is learning to read the subtle universal hints and striveing to live a balanced godly life would they not find themselfs in places of correctness for the most part? unless being tested by higher light but even then all suffering would in process become love (truth) instead of suffering reincarnating and incarnating into a endless greed violence hatred loop
Although it is quite common that murderers say that the voice in their head told them to do it.
I had a quite disturbing dream last week where my son was possessed by a spirit and i could not tell if it was bad or good or neutral but none the less even in the astral dream state i felt quite uneasy i heard its voice in my head sort of like a whispy voice it seemed a bit malevolent so i demanded it to leave my son in the name of jesus then in the name of saint Micheal these where first thought instincts in my dream suddenly a little orb flew out my sons head and out the window and he sat there in a blank state and i woke up feeling like it worked creepy encounter none the less so yes Paul i do believe some of these voices are not broadcasted from loving radio stations at times lol
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Post by paul on Nov 5, 2014 6:51:57 GMT 9.5
>Acceptance for if i judge them i would in turn judge myself
Is it possible to observe the reality of what people do without judging? I can see someone turn off the TV without judging them. Should I not also be able to observe someone turn off from a relative in trouble without either judging or accepting?
Detachment allows observation without judgement. Detachment allows the possibility of unbiased action.
>if one is learning to read the subtle universal hints and striving to live a balanced godly life would they not find themselves in places of correctness for the most part?
Despite the genuine 3rd degree initiate having resolved personal karma, s/he is still subject to family, group, national, planetary and cosmic karma.
(The genuine 3rd degree initiate has control over his/her own thoughts and is aligned and restructured enough to make contact at will with higher beings)
>i do believe some of these voices are not broadcasted from loving radio stations at times
It is rare to find a human that does not have a variety of attached lower level spirits.
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Post by cwhite on Nov 5, 2014 10:45:17 GMT 9.5
Master our fate as opposed to fate mastering us? To serve fate as opposed to having fate serve us? Duality is only resolved in perfect balance.
The two should be made one.
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Post by paul on Nov 5, 2014 11:18:14 GMT 9.5
>The two should be made one.
An excellent goal - but how to start?
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Post by elijah on Nov 6, 2014 6:16:33 GMT 9.5
if neutrality and detachment play key roles in mastering ones fate would this mean lower energies even powerful negative energy's would not be able to effect a human putting these concepts into practice cause i don't know if its just me being delusional but the more i use these concepts in waking life i notice people literally seem pre programmed depending on certain factors
once in a altered state i noticed energy vortexs forming in my room that seem to be out of synch so i would move little ordinary objects like pencils books boxes in more geometrically aligned shapes and it brought with it a more content feeling of balanced reality if that makes any sense kinda of like feng shui would this be one of reasons the square and compass are such revered symbols of masonry is living threw means of divine proportion one of the secrets to mastering faith
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Post by paul on Nov 6, 2014 7:00:55 GMT 9.5
>if neutrality and detachment play key roles in mastering ones fate would this mean lower energies even powerful negative energy's would not be able to effect a human putting these concepts into practice
Neutrality/detachment occurs when the relevant octaves in the light body are cleansed of the substance that resonates with lower frequency energies. Thus the light body observes but is not impacted.
>people literally seem pre programmed
Quite so, and if you observe carefully you may see some real time programming occurring when the human finds itself in a new situation not covered by existing programming.
>i noticed energy vortexs forming in my room that seem to be out of synch so i would move little ordinary objects like pencils books boxes in more geometrically aligned shapes
You have observed the basis of Feng Shui.
Freemasons observe those effects every time they set up the lodge. Geometrical alignment is critical to easy flows of light.
One of the more obvious applications of this principle is standing and sitting with a straight spine.
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Post by paul on Nov 6, 2014 7:09:22 GMT 9.5
>Angels in Neutrality
The neutrality, I suggest, is not in relation to good and evil but rather in relation to light and dark.
As far as I recall I have not seen an angelic being seeking to disrupt the natural balance of light and dark. Deliberate disruption of that balance might well be categorised as evil as it disturbs the natural unfoldment of cosmic ecologies.
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Post by paul on Nov 6, 2014 10:01:20 GMT 9.5
> The shaman sees that the energy does not belong there and removes it.
Hopefully the shaman considers why the energy is there.
For example, emotional pain eventually induces learning. Taking the pain away usually delays the learning.
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Post by paul on Nov 6, 2014 10:02:42 GMT 9.5
>I figure the energy is attempting to decipher humans
In which case that energy is unlikely to be the energy that generated humans in the first place.
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Post by elijah on Nov 6, 2014 12:13:44 GMT 9.5
>I figure the energy is attempting to decipher humans
In which case that energy is unlikely to be the energy that generated humans in the first place.
would this then imply what the bible states as a war in the heavens in a non physical sense where certain forces are changing human energy vectors corrupting natural order on purpose? as the planet vibrations are definitely changing more so then any recorded period from a historical standpoint crime is at its lowest rate in most parts of the planet yet more people then ever seem to be possessed and committing acts of ridiculous nature with total mind numbing propaganda almost everywhere one looks all major food chains selling imo the same poisons wars with subliminal context to ancient history and imo staged and faked national tragedys,disasters would these energy's deciphering humans need to be here as they help raise the planet in a sort of order out of chaos i also noticed alot of people passing away in the past few years more so then i can remember
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