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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 7:17:02 GMT 9.5
I don't think that true free will is lessened by external interference. When we will something, then we desire an outcome, but the action powered by will is only an attempt towards the outcome. Taking the example of gravity, maybe a generalisation of gravity is its being in place as an act of will of some sort. I imagine that time is always to figure in any act of will in this physical existence, as will desires an outcome and events are separated by time.
The outcome of an act diverges from the desired outcome because either the actor did not understand the environment, including the internal environment, or that he did not anticipate the will of another actor, and in some way both of these reasons are the same. We might say that all outcomes are the result of a battle of wills and quite often the first to act under will has the last word.
The trueness of the intention to create an outcome is then not equal to the fidelity of the outcome measured against the will's desired outcome, but to the pureness of the intention, i.e. without internal conflict.
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Post by paul on Aug 30, 2015 7:46:58 GMT 9.5
>I don't think that true free will is lessened by external interference.
Unless the brain or mind is interfered with so that clear thoughts and choices cannot be formulated
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 8:21:49 GMT 9.5
>I don't think that true free will is lessened by external interference. Unless the brain or mind is interfered with so that clear thoughts and choices cannot be formulated Personally I don't think that true free will can be interfered with, but a weak, fragmented will can be. 'True' being singular. That is not to say the true free will has complete control over an environment and outcome, but that it is at least true in its conception of the desired outcome, the difference between the two being the result of co-creation of participating wills.
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Post by paul on Aug 30, 2015 8:29:42 GMT 9.5
>I don't think that true free will can be interfered with,
That implies that free will operates through a mechanism that cannot be interfered with. What might that be?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 8:39:27 GMT 9.5
> That implies that free will operates through a mechanism that cannot be interfered with. What might that be?
I do not know, it is just a belief, but take the example of gravity, it cannot be interfered with, we can use ways to counteract its effect, but we cannot change its nature.
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Post by elijah on Aug 30, 2015 8:46:32 GMT 9.5
Well i would not goes as far as saying all potential levels of awareness...cause to grasp those concepts we must be aware of the dark and light of those potentiality's..but i will go so far as to say that when one is aware out of body and can still form clear choice free will is Love...without jumping to sinister acts.... such as killing a entity in a dream cause it wants to steal your new car that you brought in waking life...cause we also carry our egos in that realm as long as we are alive on earth imo... forgetting this new car carries no sensual or emotional desire in that realm and is just a mere illusion... so yea sure go head don't steal it...ill give it to you and create a new one ... its hard to grasp that we are the creator without playing judge jury executioner as we might do here on earth....
Freedom is not the act of decision but the act of perception...is a good way of putting it
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Post by paul on Aug 30, 2015 8:49:56 GMT 9.5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 0:19:25 GMT 9.5
fibonaccimatrix ... >I do not know, it is just a belief, but take the example of gravity, it cannot be interfered with, we can use ways to counteract its effect, but we cannot change its nature. U might want to consider the phenomena of what happens with the use of 2 magnets and a computer hard drive disk Made of Aluminum Also ... plane fuselage aluminum ... And what wold happen if a second magnetic force interacted with earth And the "railgun projectiles materials" questions series of "what is ammo" and sending something at superluminous speed ... or just under that You'll have to spell it out to me fox, I don't get your point. 'Interfered' was a weak word to use in the case of gravity, and the comparison of the wilful actions of humans to gravity was not intended to be exact. Gravity can be counteracted, so can the action of will of a human.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:00:48 GMT 9.5
> do u understand the alleged fact of Hard drive disks are Aluminum! That is clear
> Operating as twin magnet sets! >... So an non ferrous material goes into weird or spooky action with the presence of second fixed magnet AKA computer hard drive
Ferromagnetism is the result of quantum spin and the Pauli exclusion principle..
Aluminium being non-magnetic is negligibly affected by the magnetic field.
Understood that groups of particles can become entangled in the presence of a magnetic field.
> The Nature of the interaction of Aluminum with a single magnet does ... Nothing or not much > But Ferrous AKA Iron or similar get ATTRACTED straight forward
> Computer hard drives were for the most part ... 3600 RPM Seriously fast turning machines anti-gravity theories and spinning magnetic fields.
> Rail guns are alleged as can project at Just at above or below the speed of lite > AMMO alleged to be used = Aluminum OK, I'm not that familiar with this, but I'm supposing that you are suggesting that an anti-gravity caused by quantum entanglement reduces the effect of the mass of the ammo, thereby allowing it to approach the speed of light.
> Hard drives have almost been phased out of use in newer computers as there are way more efficient ways to store data Indeed, are you suggesting a conspiracy regarding this?
> Of Old there are things called Vimannas > Lord Pical dude from peru ... But he was said to have rode a vimanna out of here I think the common belief is that they have spinning mercury at the centre as a sort of engine
> I am only stating that a second magnetic temporary place in correct positions and Aluminum might / could get field stripped off the earth ok
> The Lost Axe Head (2 Kings 6:1-7) Where a iron axe head was made to float and presumably wood made to sink > Gravity Full / partial law reversal by an partially enlightened soul
I've seen this in the non physical, being at the equator was one representation, and alcohol (gravity)..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 6:15:25 GMT 9.5
> But in my hypnotism process' I have encountered a bunch who were here just as observers from other worlds
What's so interesting about this place to them, is it like going on holiday or more like research?
> It describes Free Will as an illusion
Getting back to that, I've found out recently that certain conditions in my life were set in place through the non-physical which I would say limited my free will, or at least seemed to make certain paths and decisions much harder to choose. The reason was given as to build strength. There might be an argument for choosing challenging paths over easy ones, but I suppose I mean what appeared to me to be a path of least spiritual resistance, however the physical intelligences within me disliked the training immensly.
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Post by paul on Nov 9, 2015 8:03:30 GMT 9.5
>the physical intelligences within me disliked the training immensly
It is an interesting process - training them while keeping them cooperative
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 8:11:15 GMT 9.5
> It is an interesting process - training them while keeping them cooperative
Indeed, interesting when one gets a clue on what's happening, confusing to say the least, before awareness shines a light on the rascals.
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Post by sammy on Aug 15, 2020 1:49:15 GMT 9.5
> It is an interesting process - training them while keeping them cooperative Indeed, interesting when one gets a clue on what's happening, confusing to say the least, before awareness shines a light on the rascals. This made me actually LOL.. HAHA
agreed as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 21:40:39 GMT 9.5
I think at least some physical intelligences can be likened to animals and perhaps even traced genetically to them, at what felt like crocodile level mind I found the lowest level of abstraction, no imagery, the highest conceptual level I could understand it at was data, physical process data, system states within the body. Personality therein is non-existent. It was the inverse to the expansive awareness of rising up the planes. I was given an example of an elite sportsman that operated in utilised this modality, his persona made more sense to me after that.
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Post by paul on Nov 29, 2020 7:19:13 GMT 9.5
In the human there are various intelligences.
The intelligence of the sacral chakra operates the physical body with very little intervention by the thinker. For example, riding a bicycle around a corner is a complex set of physics calculations, but it occurs without the mind (intelligence of the brow chakra) being engaged.
These days we understand that it is necessary to develop emotional intelligence - skills of the intelligence of the solar plexus.
So far the concept of heart intelligence is very rare.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 7:41:26 GMT 9.5
>one of people who seem tied to machines and wear medallion arm pieces in a silent world waiting for their next does of medicine or when it is time to eat ... this watch like thing informs them of the what next !!!<
Seems like The Mark Of The Beast
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2020 9:49:19 GMT 9.5
> at least some physical intelligences can be likened to animals
Certainly babies of all(?) animal species have physical intelligence that is very largely geared to survival. Later those intelligences broaden their scope to include survival of family members.
But it is perhaps more useful to consider that every living cell has (or belongs to) an intelligence that operates the chemical and electrical intricacies required to survive and reproduce in often adverse environments.
Thus the human, even at a physical level requires trillions of intelligences to operate cells, organs, circulation, acquisition of food and shelter, growth, reproduction at all levels.
These trillions of intelligences take quite some time to master, and it seems that some humans still do not succeed, judging by the numbers of politicians that have trouble keeping their pants on.
And then, having mastered the physical intelligences, there is a need to master the various emotional intelligences within a standard human.
Then the various mental intelligences (not all native to humans) need to be mastered.
Through all that I suspect that free will primarily should operate as an intent to be free of improper influences.
As that is progressively accomplished, the human has room to exert intent in wider contexts: planetary and later cosmic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 19:01:24 GMT 9.5
I absolutely agree Paul. I would add, that complexes of intelligences, can be naturally organised, or isolated by function or form. Entering into the group of 'super-complexes' that are a particular animal, and for each animal gives a very distinctness of being. For a concept of all manner of form , function and powers, the Ancient Egyptian Neters come to mind.
It's also worth mentioning that the operation in physical, emotional and mental levels is not altogether dependent on mastery of all levels below the level operating in, however, the effectiveness of operation at a level is greatly improved with corresponding mastery below. Consolidation of levels below gives access to new levels, yet mastery is a nonlinear journey through the levels.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2020 19:47:36 GMT 9.5
>operation in physical, emotional and mental levels is not altogether dependent on mastery of all levels below the level operating
The 21 Steps thread gives minor data on that.
Each subplane needs to be controlled and refined. It is normal to have made significant progress in the next higher plane before all the subplanes are controlled in the current plane of focus.
Also, some delay emotional control by suppression.
As the lower subplanes are controlled their substance is progressively discarded so that the junior initiate increasingly is focussed in the 1st and 2nd subplanes of each plane. Thus there is little substance remaining that can resonate with discordant situations.
> mastery is a nonlinear journey through the levels
Quite so. There are various reasons including male/female proclivities, karma, interference, life path, ray type, Spirit source, type of human manifestation...
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Post by sammy on Feb 4, 2021 5:12:57 GMT 9.5
A most intriguing compilation of thoughts.. I would agree with these descriptions from Paul and Fibonacci in the last few posts. Well done sirs!
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