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Post by LorrB on Jun 13, 2013 10:38:48 GMT 9.5
""King George IV -, in 1786 he was staying at Raynam hall, he woke one night to find a woman wearing brown standing beside his bed. Her hair was dishevelled, her face ashen white. He fled his room in his nightgown and cap and stormed through the house. He refused to stay an hour longer."" this sounds like a practical joke to me. I had not heard of Raynam Hall so I looked it up .... if it was a joke it is a longstanding one. Must see if I can find the photo.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 13, 2013 10:43:52 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2013 11:30:43 GMT 9.5
Notice how the light of the entity obscures the background. Equally the darkness of an entity can obscure the background.
The energy of the entity is mainly on 7.3, 6.4 and 6.3 subplanes. The entity has human feel as well as a humanoid shape to its manifestation. I have not detected either a mental or spiritual connection so those parts are gone.
Thus this seems to be the etheric and astral remains of a slightly better than average human
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Post by Helen Duncan on Jun 13, 2013 18:20:09 GMT 9.5
Do dismiss the likelihood of this image being a fake?
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Post by paul on Jun 13, 2013 20:32:30 GMT 9.5
It seems real enough to me. Try projecting into the scene and approaching the shape from behind.
What happens when you are behind the shape?
Why?
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 13, 2013 20:35:14 GMT 9.5
..so if I see a ghost then it quite reasonable for me to assume that ghosts do exist? In recent posts I've been looking for those “hooks” that used to capture my imagination and prompt the thoughts to flow. Every day I go through the new posts looking for mental stimulation in our Mystic Art and I find logic and ghosts but little Freemasonry. Perhaps I am just narrow-minded and find no interest in these topics, which to my mind have little bearing on the hidden mysteries. Have recent queries put us on the defensive and forced us into an arena where we cannot win? Reason? Balderdash, as they say! Logic is useful up to a point, then it has to be abandoned. HPB wrote long ago, “The Mind is the great Slayer of the Real. Let the Disciple slay the Slayer.” Logic is the product of the mind; reason issues from the mind and is immediately trapped in the snares of maya, illusion. The Craft gives to the initiate a body of knowledge which is veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols, given without apology without defense, without intellectual underpinnings. We use the mind to discover the hidden teachings of the Craft, not to defend it. Embarking on this royal road is a hazardous undertaking because we are obligated to leave behind us all the mental defenses we have used in the past. Without reason and logic we feel threatened and lost and some of us scurry back to the familiar ways. Perhaps I'm reading too much Krishnamurti, but it seems that at a certain point we move beyond the mind, beyond circumstances to another realm of existence beyond intellectual activity. I don't think I'm anti-intellectual; I'm just not interested in some of the byways the intellect is likely to take us.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 14, 2013 9:04:38 GMT 9.5
Emphasis mine... a great read for those that seek (and FREE)
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Post by LorrB on Jun 14, 2013 9:11:58 GMT 9.5
... SW ... closes the lodge until our next regular meeting might suggest more than the next monthly meeting.
The job of the principal 'traveller' is to lead along paths least trodden ? The offer is made, but we are left free to choose whether or not we follow.
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2013 9:20:51 GMT 9.5
... Embarking on this royal road is a hazardous undertaking because we are obligated to leave behind us all the mental defenses we have used in the past. Without reason and logic we feel threatened and lost..... There is a strong (often overpowering) need in the human to manage its environment so that it is secure. The need presents itself as the essence of humanness but much much later it is found not to be that essence. From the point of view of that need the most intimate part of the human environment is Self-Image. And that self-image is defended at all cost. Health, relationships and wealth may all be spent defending self-image. What a cost!
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Post by GRS on Jun 14, 2013 18:24:07 GMT 9.5
It seems real enough to me. Try projecting into the scene and approaching the shape from behind. You keep trying to suck others into you pathological delusions. There is no "behind." The image is two dimensional. Do you agree that some if not all such "evidence" is faked? www.ghostresearch.org/ghostpics/
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Post by paul on Jun 14, 2013 18:33:41 GMT 9.5
>The image is two dimensional.
Of course the image is 2D, but the reality is multi-dimensional. The image provides a link to the reality and as the mind is not limited by time and space we can use it to access many realities.
>Do you agree that some if not all such "evidence" is faked?
There are always those who wish to disprove propositions and put out fakes to assist their case. It is the basis of much activity by the intelligence communities. But the fakes require that there is something real otherwise who would credit the fakes?
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Post by Helen Duncan on Jun 14, 2013 22:54:00 GMT 9.5
There are always those who wish to disprove propositions and put out fakes to assist their case. It is the basis of much activity by the intelligence communities. But the fakes require that there is something real otherwise who would credit the fakes? Was Helen Duncan's fake "mediumship" and production of cheesecloth "ectoplasm" done to disprove propositions? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_DuncanDespite the lack of reality, plenty of gullible people credited her fraud.
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Post by Chronos on Jun 14, 2013 23:01:50 GMT 9.5
>The image is two dimensional. Of course the image is 2D, but the reality is multi-dimensional. The image provides a link to the reality and as the mind is not limited by time and space we can use it to access many realities. Only the image was provided, not the reality nor any articulated link to the reality. The image is separated from the reality by both time and space. Our mind can imagine all it likes but in the end it is only imagination.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 15, 2013 0:25:20 GMT 9.5
It seems real enough to me. Try projecting into the scene and approaching the shape from behind. You keep trying to suck others into you pathological delusions. There is no "behind." The image is two dimensional. I am guessing that you haven't practiced hermetics then GRS. While it does sound barmy it is indeed possible with practice to place yourself not just "in the other mans shoes" but in objects. Clearly you are not "in" them, but you are able to explore that perspective. Its good mental gymnastics. No different to placing yourself "in the other mans shoes" when considering perspectives. Have no idea how you would tell if a ghostly image is real or not though. As an aside GRS, I recently sold my collection of Hermetics books, and they were not difficult to sell at good prices. Bardons Initiation into Hermetics gives detiled guidance on how to do such things as Paul suggests. While I enjoyed Bardons books, his methods are not for me at this time but they are popular texts and I understand highly valued.
Agreed
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Post by paul on Jun 15, 2013 6:25:18 GMT 9.5
Only the image was provided, not the reality nor any articulated link to the reality. The image is separated from the reality by both time and space. This is an interesting proposition and as you will be aware is contrary to a range of metaphysical healing practices where a "witness" such as a photo or blood spot is used to connect to the source or client. Do you consider that the reality of an event is deleted immediately or that the reality continues to exist after the time? If reality is purely physical (material) then it may be deleted, although in this case the building probably still exists. If on the other hand reality is an energy-intelligence structure then it almost certainly continues so that the event can be re-experienced by those not too firmly anchored in the physical brain. Deleting an energy-intelligence reality is possible but requires a degree of skill and cooperation.
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Post by paul on Jun 15, 2013 6:30:30 GMT 9.5
.. While I enjoyed Bardons books, his methods are not for me at this time... I am equally circumspect with practice of his elemental techniques. While those techniques are valid, it seems to me that they are embedded in an energy field (entity) in which I should not immerse myself. I suspect that this is true for techniques generally. Techniques are not separable from their sponsor, being performed within an energy field. Be careful what you choose!
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Post by paul on Jun 15, 2013 7:05:52 GMT 9.5
Our mind can imagine all it likes but in the end it is only imagination. Interestingly both Tesla and Keely said that they did their development and testing by visualisation. Tesla seemed to be able to test the wear characteristics of his machines very accurately without building a physical model. And the Golden Dawn in its early years used to test the visualisations of their candidates for Adeptus Minor - until they ran out of competent examiners. I once had an experience of that: running a meditation session of about 30 where I could see a small image in front of the 3rd eye of each participant. Then afterwards I was able to answer accurately their questions on their individual experiences by going back in time and entering their image. (Most humans do not usually think clearly enough to generate such clear and detailed thought forms) "It's all in the mind, you know" Goon Show.
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Post by Neddie Seagoon on Jun 15, 2013 12:44:39 GMT 9.5
Our mind can imagine all it likes but in the end it is only imagination. Interestingly both Tesla and Keely said that they did their development and testing by visualisation. Tesla seemed to be able to test the wear characteristics of his machines very accurately without building a physical model. Imagination is a function of cognition. The error is in supposing it to be more than imagination. Visualisation is a case of spatial conceptualisation. The Goons were right. "It's all in the mind, you know."
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Post by qualia on Jun 15, 2013 12:50:21 GMT 9.5
Only the image was provided, not the reality nor any articulated link to the reality. The image is separated from the reality by both time and space. Do you consider that the reality of an event is deleted immediately or that the reality continues to exist after the time? In four dimensional space noumenal reality moves on. Where you might be confused is that we can retain a phenomenal memory of the past.
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Post by paul on Jun 15, 2013 13:16:18 GMT 9.5
>we can retain a phenomenal memory of the past.
Are there any mechanisms in nature for preserving the past?
Consider for example the various localities that have a feeling of doom or death. Are those preservations purely matter-based?
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