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Post by stepnwolf on Feb 11, 2013 2:40:55 GMT 9.5
While surfing the web, I came across a site (http://www.theosophy.com/theos-talk/200505/tt00698.html) where the author speaks of an Egyptian rite coming from Australia, the creation of the prominent theosophist C.W. Leadbeater, who lived in Australia in those days. It is said that the creation of the ER was encouraged by THOATF himself. Evidently the ER has no relationship with Le Droit Humain or the LCC (= Liberal Catholic Church), to both of which CWL also belonged. In the theosophical hierarchy the ER was above the ES (= Esoteric Section) and presumably membership in the one was required before being accepted into the ER. The Rite has 3 preliminary stages of the Temple of the Quest, relating to fire, form and life. Having completed the preliminary degrees, the candidate moves on to the 4th, the Temple of the Rose and the Cross where he waited until he was accepted as a chela of one of the Masters. Then follows the 5th stage called Outer Temple or Temple of the Dawn. Not much seems to be known about this level, although judging from the name it seems to be a reception degree for what follows, like the 17th degree in Scottish Rite is the reception degree for the 18th. Finally in the 6th stage the candidate is permitted to enter into the inner temple itself, denominated Temple of the Star. It is declared that membership here is restricted to BB who are part of the Great Brotherhood of Light. In the foregoing I have attempted to curtail personal thoughts on the ER. The chasm between Freemasonry and the ER is that the Craft is veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols while the ER speaks of a reality beyond most of us. The current head of the ER has closed down all but the Temple of the Quest for reasons best known to herself.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 11, 2013 7:18:58 GMT 9.5
... she is very old and doesn't like to hand over the reins? She is not a very communicative person at the best of times.
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Post by paul on Feb 11, 2013 7:25:56 GMT 9.5
In my experience the quality of brethren is more important than the ritual in achieving inner work.
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Post by stepnwolf on Feb 11, 2013 21:31:07 GMT 9.5
LorrB I'd prefer to think that somehow she has learned that much of the ER was a product of CWL's active imagination. Her father has said as much. It looks like the the TS is being tempered by a back-to-Blavatsky movement where the contributions of CWL and AB in these areas are being minimized. To paraphrase a common saying these days, the question being asked now is "what would HPB have done?"
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Post by paul on Feb 12, 2013 7:17:37 GMT 9.5
I have no doubt that HPB is greater than CWL, but I wonder why such an organisation needs to look backwards rather than forwards.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 12, 2013 8:12:52 GMT 9.5
Because the heads of such organisations do not move on when they might need to? (Just heard the Pope retired-omgosh) Every lodge can probably relate to an older member or two who insist that "this is the way we have always done it - or - this is what this means! - or - so and so said, end of story!" As below, so above. I am firmly of the opinion that we are surrounded by just as many 'holy prophets' today as they were in biblical days, the difficulty, like then, is sorting the wheat from the chaff. I am sure we have 'crucified' many saviours in ignorance and glorified imposters. I can also see the advantages of 'going it alone' so far as organisations are concerned. We need organisations however because that is the usual entry level for those that seek more. They are the schools. Graduates often remain as teachers... and then we have to sort the wheat from the chaff again Discernment.
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Post by paul on Feb 12, 2013 8:18:54 GMT 9.5
Masonry as a whole is certainly backward looking - to the time of the loss of the genuine secrets - and there is an implicit belief that the loss of genuineness is continuing with the older generation being looked to as closer to the time of genuineness.
On the other hand I would hope that the human race can unfold further. As that happens organisations surely can become greater (in quality) than before.
Thus excessive reliance upon the authority of the past seems to me to be a denial of the future.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 12, 2013 10:21:27 GMT 9.5
Talking about wheat and chaff... I honestly can't tell which I might be. I do fly around in the breeze sometimes Without having to really think about it I guess I have always just assumed I was wheat, the good guy, the white hat. Then so must others. We try out best, we have our beliefs, we have our first hand experiences, and this is all we can truly pass on to those with whom we come into contact. But how do we know that we have made the right choices, decisions, interpretations about things? I suppose this is worth keeping in mind if we find ourselves in lofty positions of responsibility.
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Post by stepnwolf on Feb 12, 2013 12:43:13 GMT 9.5
Contributors to the thread have brought up a number of topics I'd like to consider. Why look back for authority? I have no first-hand knowledge on this, but people have told me that when knitting a garment if an error has been discovered all the work after the error has to be pulled out before the error can be corrected.
Or, if on the way from home to town the road becomes mired in flotsam that prevents passage, the driver must return home to find another road that is clear.
I thoroughly identify with LorrB's question as to whether we are wheat or chaff, as do most of us all upon some reflection. Some of us fly too high like Daedalus and have our wings melted off. I have to believe that the Path is guarded to prevent the grossest trespasses, although it would seem that sometimes the guardians have fallen down on the job. In situations that do not make sense to us we can trust that a higher wisdom is at work.
Nowadays my most frequent complaint is, “I HATE change” and yet change happens. In the early days I jumped at change, only because it was change. Today when change saps my energy I revel in the familiarity of the old ways. There must be a reason why this attitude toward change is almost universal. Wisdom may be in accepting change though it makes us feel uncomfortable.
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Post by paul on Feb 12, 2013 13:46:13 GMT 9.5
It seems fairly clear to me that Masonry took a wrong turn about 1717. How then to recover the situation? A green-fields restart?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 12, 2013 13:47:28 GMT 9.5
.. ever noticed that when change is thrust upon us it usually rejuvenates us?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 12, 2013 13:57:43 GMT 9.5
It seems fairly clear to me that Masonry took a wrong turn about 1717. How then to recover the situation? A green-fields restart? Have no idea. But I do know how to raise new plants on concrete A nice thick layer of the written word (newspapers) topped with bales of wheat and chaff (or pea straw) then pile the manure on thick and plant the seeds. Kind of describes our forum ;D btw - you really can grow plants using this method. ...sorry paul, couldn't resist, back to your green-fields...
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Post by paul on Feb 12, 2013 19:08:17 GMT 9.5
The GLE wishes to restart Masonry then presumably they will start dropping some hints including images of a new ritual and perhaps stimulate groups in which suitable brethren can assemble.
But perhaps existing structures need to run down further first.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 13, 2013 7:21:33 GMT 9.5
Speak to me more about new rituals. Can you explain images of a new ritual? Will more than the one person see these images? Can't help but think of The Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith.
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Post by paul on Feb 13, 2013 8:27:04 GMT 9.5
I started a new thread for the new ritual - new bottles for new wine
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Post by sc on Feb 22, 2023 21:51:18 GMT 9.5
.. ever noticed that when change is thrust upon us it usually rejuvenates us? I found that depending on the type of change, let's say for the good or bad the rejuvenation is in opposite polarity to the change. Either rejuvenation or degregation
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Post by sc on Feb 24, 2023 19:32:54 GMT 9.5
I found that depending on the type of change, let's say for the good or bad the rejuvenation is in opposite polarity to the change. Either rejuvenation or degregation Bravo SC Bread crumbs SC Bread crumbs Scary is anyone thats got all the answers and just an hyphenated question . In layman terms brother Foxfires
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Post by foxfires on Mar 3, 2023 22:09:03 GMT 9.5
Here is what the Galactic Federation Has to share and its not for me to teach you or to enter an pissing contest with any Masons no matter how hard they attempt to start one or for me to grant sympathy But think along lines of allegory of cave where everyone has to figure such out 4 themselve or for me to emotionally tinker in lower realm wannabe souls that seem are gonna seriously regret the passed up the 5th dimension promotion window as its just gonna be an whoops KINDA like when u loose a set of keys deal and in allegory of cave its like the bumpers in a pinball machine and either the bumper gets hit correctly or not OR The Flipper goes Dead to re project a ball and or but some things are planets some are suns and some are galaxies and some are universes and the then the multiverse TILL We Are pinball wizards playing just to glide through the endorphins of an thump and New game earned is Personal next life credit and the game moderators start announcing were sorry were unplugging this machine you are playing on as u make others feel bad because of your hi tally or score and want you to play less changeling or easier to win simple games
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Post by paul on Mar 4, 2023 6:22:00 GMT 9.5
The 5D refers to the mental plane. Thus 3 physical dimensions, plus 1 emotional dimension plus 1 mental dimension. Odd that higher planes are 1 dimensional?
Apparently Earth humans had real trouble understanding planes and subplanes (and their number-based resonances) so a simplified "dimension" nomenclature was introduced.
The subplane numbering provides direct mapping and access for those that wish to manage energies
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Post by stewartedwards on Mar 4, 2023 6:58:00 GMT 9.5
Do you want to download rtgban? In a black box with a big download button in blue and a small cross. It’s back Paul.
Subplane numbering is difficult. But it was introduced by Alice Bailey? in a different time.
In todays busy world, the number of people that this or even mental and emotional energies, makes sense too is probably limited.
Perhaps, as humans and society change, the language needs to change as well?
I think that the easiest way to explore energies, for most people today, is to directly relate them to their real world daily life. Eg I lied about that, why did I do that? Or I felt a beautiful connection there, why? Or how people react to a passive aggressive bully, and escaping from that? Why did I put up with it? Or we are bumbling and stumbling our way to global war, why?etc.
Or as simply as, why did I fall in love with x and not y? X might be more sensitive but y is better in bed. Or vice versa.
Added, the rtgban an appeared again after posting encouraging download.
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