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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 8:40:40 GMT 9.5
But one thing I doubt is that "God will change his mind' about, is the end of the Kali Yuga. We would all like to think that "it can't happen to us" and that " these are not the End Times" but the fact is, is that there are many indications that "the piper is approaching with his hand out". True, it has been said many times before, but never before have things been like they have at the present time; that is to say, we have never had the capacity for "total global destruction" hanging over us like we have now. And worse: we brought it on ourselves!
Speak for your self ;D Most people I know, including 'the ignorant' are good people doing the best they can with what they have got. So - we might not be in a good place what with weapons of mass destruction and man-made diseases manufactured for the sole reason of wiping out entire populations.... and that by 'the Goodies'. All we can do is the best we can to speak up and speak out when we can make a difference. Freemasons are trained to be effective that way. I see no point in scaring the pants of people with this doom and gloom of 2012... if I am going to die a sudden death tomorrow do I want to know about it today. No. I would rather wake up on the other said thinking 'who would have thought'. Sometimes I think some people get some sort of weird satisfaction in scaring others.. they need to be aware that the more timid in spirit have actually committed suicide in the past because of the fear generated. Worse still murder/suicide. Heavy karma indeed for the fear monger. Let Peace begin with me.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 8:42:33 GMT 9.5
For the record, and given the title of this thread, my mind does sense changes for 2012, but not total destruction. I actually feel quite positive about it. Whatever happens will be for the better.
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2012 8:46:56 GMT 9.5
I expect that the West will have a generation of cleansing the generation of excess credit and managerialism. That combined with a tendency to greater transparency in public affairs and aging populations will force major changes in social and political structures.
Provided the human race acts with good will, the changes will be positive for those humans who go with the flow and do not attempt to retain unmerited privileges.
Positive attitude and action by the human race will allow the incoming spiritual impulses of 2012 to take root.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 9:46:49 GMT 9.5
Thats along the lines that I feel the changes will occur.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 30, 2012 11:30:25 GMT 9.5
But one thing I doubt is that "God will change his mind' about, is the end of the Kali Yuga. We would all like to think that "it can't happen to us" and that " these are not the End Times" but the fact is, is that there are many indications that "the piper is approaching with his hand out". True, it has been said many times before, but never before have things been like they have at the present time; that is to say, we have never had the capacity for "total global destruction" hanging over us like we have now. And worse: we brought it on ourselves!
Speak for your self ;D Most people I know, including 'the ignorant' are good people doing the best they can with what they have got. I guess we move in different circles, then. I see very few people making any kind of effort. Too busy staring at screens and spending money they don't have. So - we might not be in a good place what with weapons of mass destruction and man-made diseases manufactured for the sole reason of wiping out entire populations.... and that by 'the Goodies'. A definite understatement, but even these few examples show one in a rather graphic way just how distorted people's values are.
I could add to that list: the fact that there is more slavery now that there has ever been in recorded history (and most of those are female) the fact that the oceans are swamps of plastic waste and are acidifying at a horrendous rate, so that there is eventually going to be mass oceanic die-off, which will in turn hit us all very hard; the fact that massive global famine is predicted in the next several years, due to mismanagement of resources and climate shift...I could go on but you get the idea. Sorry, but I have never been a 'stick-my-head-in-the-sand type of person; I believe in living with reality, because, inevitably, reality comes to live with us.All we can do is the best we can to speak up and speak out when we can make a difference. That is exactly what I am doing, aren't I?. I probably won't make much difference though; on their own showing, nobody is interested in the facts. Freemasons are trained to be effective that way. Are they?I see no point in scaring the pants of people with this doom and gloom of 2012... if I am going to die a sudden death tomorrow do I want to know about it today. No. I would rather wake up on the other said thinking 'who would have thought'. Actually, it is best to be psychologically prepared for one's death and to meet it in a conscious fashion. This, in fact, is part of Freemasonic Third Degree doctrine; to consciously face the fact of one's own death on a regular basis. This is why the Blue Lodge teachings are the foundation of everything else in Freemasonry. Have you never heard of the Masonic "Chamber of Reflection"?Sometimes I think some people get some sort of weird satisfaction in scaring others.. they need to be aware that the more timid in spirit have actually committed suicide in the past because of the fear generated. Worse still murder/suicide. Heavy karma indeed for the fear monger. Fear-monger, hmmm? Then what would you call those who presume to teach others "spiritual truths", yet fail to prepare people for the greatest spiritual truth of them all: that we are all going to die someday, and we need to be prepared?
This is a prime focus of Sufi teaching, that one be fully prepared for one's last moments. The Bhagavad-Gita, a tremendously profound and concise fount of spiritual wisdom that I recommend to all (Penguin has an excellent translation), tells us that "On whomever or whatever a man thinks at the last moment of life, unto that in truth he goes, through sympathy with his nature."(Ch. 8, v.6) Thus, it is clearly imperative to be prepared for that moment when it comes... Freemasonic doctrine also emphasizes this. This is a site dedicated to Freemasonic teaching. So, how then can I be said to be a "fear-monger"? Let Peace begin with me. We are assured by a great spiritual teacher that "TRUTH is the best spiritual practice of the Kali Yuga". If "Peace' is endorsed at the cost of "Truth", one is ultimately much better off without such a "peace". Sorry to be blunt, but it's true..
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2012 11:42:21 GMT 9.5
If "Peace' is endorsed at the cost of "Truth", one is ultimately much better off without such a "peace". . That rather depends on what Peace means (usually a lull between wars) and what Truth means (true to what?)
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 11:55:26 GMT 9.5
Guess we do.
Some! Some people's values.
What you say is fairly well common knowledge - can you suggest ways we might tackle these problems in a practical sense, not just talk about them. What do you do? How can we help you?
I have been a Freemason for 20 years.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 12:01:10 GMT 9.5
Back to Mind as a sense organ... sehkmet, I cannot imagine you other than with a sword in one hand and a dagger in the other, hence me saying 'Let peace begin with me'.
Can you in your mind imagine giving me a brotherly hug and a bit of encouragement along my way?
Maybe we can find Truth together.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 12:18:20 GMT 9.5
I LOVE it when this happens... I just finished posting and my screen went all funny and this link below came up (where from I have no idea). When such things happen I usually conclude it is for a reason and follow through on the prompt. In this case I thought it bore no relation to the thread whatsoever, but then it dawned on me. So far this thread has contained itself to this world.. but if Mind survives death maybe we could do well to see what it senses 'there', 'whereever'. The Link www.near-death.com/evidence.html(Thank you God )
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 13:28:21 GMT 9.5
Back to Mind as a sense organ... sehkmet, I cannot imagine you other than with a sword in one hand and a dagger in the other, hence me saying 'Let peace begin with me'. Funnily enough, that is in fact a very accurate description of me; would you believe I do in fact have a collection of swords and daggers?
I have spoken before of being initiated by a tulku Lama of the Tantric Kula tradition, into the Mysteries of Red Tara, otherwise known as "the Lady of the Iron Hook". It is a fact that a year previously, at the same festival where I received that initiation, , I had arranged to purchase a very remarkable dagger in the shape of a hook...and no, he knew nothing of this, and I myself only found out later about this particular aspect of Red Tara a few weeks after I got home.Can you in your mind imagine giving me a brotherly hug and a bit of encouragement along my way? Of course I can! "Mercy" must balance "Severity", after all!Maybe we can find Truth together. That's the idea!
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 13:30:57 GMT 9.5
I LOVE it when this happens... I just finished posting and my screen went all funny and this link below came up (where from I have no idea). When such things happen I usually conclude it is for a reason and follow through on the prompt. In this case I thought it bore no relation to the thread whatsoever, but then it dawned on me. So far this thread has contained itself to this world.. but if Mind survives death maybe we could do well to see what it senses 'there', 'whereever'. The Link www.near-death.com/evidence.html(Thank you God ) Yes, that is amazing indeed... I love it when things like that happen!
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 5, 2012 9:15:07 GMT 9.5
Arguably all senses are actually products of the mind as seen with synesthetes who may experience qualities with the wrong sense organs (seeing sounds and hearing colours) Further, numbers may have a spatial context: "In spatial-sequence, or number form synesthesia, numbers, months of the year, and/or days of the week elicit precise locations in space" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SynesthesiaThis suggests that the mind may have more properties than usually acknowledged. For example, when faced with options, can the mind sense the options that fit better into the future events? If so, the mind, when properly trained, would not need to rely on logic but could use sensate processes to verify propositions. I wonder if we have any experiences that might confirm that possibility. Of course. The Qabalistic Cube of Space is predicated on being able to 'spatialize" the various Paths and Sephiroth in the form of a Cube around one. It is the somatic body that is the most 'perceptive" in this regard. They don't call it 'gut feeling" for nothing, you know! The mental centre associated with it is the Solar Plexus, which correponds with the Sephirah of Tiphareth. There is an account in "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" that recounts a story by an adept who took some sort of medicine, and it caused his mentality to descend to the Solar Plexus; he distinctly perceived that "he" was perceiving from this area and not with "his head". Fortunately, he did not panic, and kept a cool head, and in about 2 hours, his consciousness returned to its accustomed "place" in his head.
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Post by paul on Feb 5, 2012 10:27:55 GMT 9.5
I suspect that perception via the solar plexus is pretty standard for adult humans. Perception via the sacral chakra is particularly common amongst teenagers.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 5, 2012 12:18:41 GMT 9.5
Ramakrishna stated explicitly that the average human's awareness is confined to the lower three chakras, and of those, it ranges mostly in the lower two. When the awareness rises to the heart, then a realization of the greater possibilities is accomplished. But it is not lasting or permanent; it is just a "taste" of possibility. Even when the throat chakra is attained there is still a danger of a 'fall". Only when the third eye level is attained is the possibility of a 'fall' eliminated. But this attainment also radically shifts the inner awareness permanently and there exists the danger that the devotee will be regarded as 'mad" by his fellow humans, and dealt with accordingly, due to these radical changes in the psyche that are effected. Thus the danger to people who are seeking deliberately to arouse these centres and who are not properly "purified" and made ready to deal with the experience!
Once , I remember having attained the level of the fifth chakra, and I was seized with a powerful spiritual impulse; I began to hold forth to my companion, and I literally talked for two hours on "God". Shortly thereafter (as in about a half hour) I developed a sore throat so severe I could not sleep; I woke myself up every time I reflexively swallowed! It was like nothing I ever experienced; literally like embers were sitting in my throat! I found that repeating my mantra dissipated the excess energy and my throat went back to normal; later on I heard about similar experiences from other people. One hears a lot about 'chakras' and stuff, but it is quite an experience to physically encounter their reality in such a tangible fashion!
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Post by paul on Jun 25, 2012 12:38:06 GMT 9.5
I am not sure that results were reported for this experiment so here it is again:
To be spoken out loud:
- Make a statement that you know to be true - Make a statement that you know to be false
Can you tell the difference in the sense of solidity?
Now make a statement that you are unsure of. Does it feel solid or not?
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Post by paul on Aug 26, 2012 8:00:13 GMT 9.5
Another experiment with the mind is to visualise some alternative scenes for a near term event and see which visualisation feels more solid.
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Post by LorrB on Aug 27, 2012 10:00:03 GMT 9.5
Did this experiment yesterday, the most solid response I got, was what happened.
I will need to repeat this experiment quite a few times more to be able to get a better sense of what is or might be happening.
It is an interesting experiment... I had not thougt about solidity in that way before.
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Post by paul on Aug 27, 2012 10:20:15 GMT 9.5
All of the (12?) senses can be experienced on every sub-plane given suitable light-body substance and sufficient practice.
In this example the sense of touch was being used on the lower mental sub-planes.
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Post by paul on Aug 27, 2012 11:30:41 GMT 9.5
>I too am stuck here as there is no real true and false
True to what? False to what?
Once the reference standard is set there is certainly true and false.
For example:
I had dinner last night. That is a true statement. Now to use that reference point.
I had beans. Is that a true statement? How do we test?
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Post by LorrB on Aug 27, 2012 14:32:07 GMT 9.5
Can we use another example?
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