Speed of Light exceeded

[paul]

As some may recall, about 10 years ago some Harvard scientist managed to slow light to a stop and restart it - hence undermining the "principle" stated by Einstein that the speed of light is constant.

Now there have been found particles travelling faster than the speed of light.

"Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light." www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

Those familiar with the work of Tesla will recall that much of his work was based on the superluminal aether.

[tamrin]

Sept 23, 2011 5:11:38 GMT 9.5 paul said:

As some may recall, about 10 years ago some Harvard scientist managed to slow light to a stop and restart it - hence undermining the "principle" stated by Einstein that the speed of light is constant.

You are misrepresenting the facts It was Ole Rømer, in 1676, who first demonstrated that the speed was finite. Einstein only referred to that and refinements developed since then as a factor in his theory of special relativity. It has long been known that light can be slowed, hence refraction.

[paul]

Now that the speed of light has been exceeded, there may be new prospects for travel.

[paul]

Tesla maintained that the longitudinal waves he used were faster than light - using resonances induced in the aether.

He considered the transverse waves used in wireless communications to be based on waste energy from poor design. Transverse waves are subject to a wide range of interference including sun spots.

[paul]

If mass and inertia are the result of vortices in the aether, then it might well be possible to generate mirror image vortices with opposite effects.

As for Tunguska, there are eye witness accounts demonstrating that the object changed direction before the explosion. That might indicate intelligent activity.

[paul]

The chances of Tesla fiddling with the aether at exactly that place and time are pretty low.

[jackjack]

See that's the problem; people apply the Law of Relativity to our entire universe and say "That's how it works."

Problem is, while the law of relativity works on earth, it doesn't work in the heavenlies.

[paul]

From what I have read:

Apparently relativity does not work in the solar system when using radar to measure the distance of Venus - out by 500 km assuming that the speed of the radar pulse is the same after it is bounced off Venus.

The measurement is correct (within 50 meters) using Newtonian mechanics - ie the speed of the light (radar) bounced off Venus = the speed of the original impulse + the speed of Venus.

[paul]

I expect that Earth defenses have long been in place as there are ancient accounts of wars in the heavens. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_mythological_wars

Also I seem to recall reading a Russian account of some alien defensive system in Siberia.

It seems to me that Tesla was a late entrant - although quite possibly being used as a pawn in a cosmic war. He received inspiration but from what?

[paul]

Perhaps Tesla is better regarded as a bridgehead - even if a bridge too far.

[paul]

>As some may recall, about 10 years ago some Harvard scientist managed to slow light to a stop and restart it - hence undermining the "principle" stated by Einstein that the speed of light is constant.

Tom Bearden tells us that "the speed of light .... is a function of the intensity of ..... the electrostatic potential .. of the vacuum within which it moves... The higher the flux intensity (charge) of the vacuum, the faster the speed of light."

www.cheniere.org/

[paul]

Now light can be used to hide events in time:

"An "invisibility" time cloak which is able to hide events in a continuous stream of light has been developed by scientists.

The cloak works by manipulating the speed of light in optical fibres and means any interaction which takes place during this "hole in time" is not detected."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22780651

" By extending these concepts to the temporal domain14, investigators have recently described a cloak which hides events in time by creating a temporal gap in a probe beam that is subsequently closed up; any interaction which takes place during this hole in time is not detected"
www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12224.html

[paul]

And light has been stopped for up to 60 seconds before being restarted.

"In 1999 a team of researchers was able to slow light to just 17 meters per second. That led to another team devising a means for stopping its travel altogether in 2001, albeit for just a fraction of a second. Another team was able to increase that time to 16 seconds just a few months ago. In this new effort, the team in Germany has increased that time to a full minute.

Stopping light and holding it in place, then releasing it is an important step towards the creation of a quantum repeater, a necessary component of a future quantum computer."

phys.org/news/2013-07-seconds.html

Perhaps the speed of light never was a constant.

[paul]

>This is an assumed definition with pressure and molecular assignment predefined before the boil point

Oddly that did not seem to occur to most physicists and the variability over several decades in the measured speed of light was ignored.

>If light goes near a black hole

Of course black holes are rather hard to observe so the construct is theoretical.

[paul]

>book learned cannon fodder to the intellects who do not feel in the heart

I recall reading a comment by Tesla that the mathematical modelling by physicists was largely useless. Of course he had the advantages of inner sight and ability to do his modelling in mental substance.

[paul]

Now it seems that light is not as fast as was thought, and it is a real problem for existing theories:

"If Franson's ideas turn out to be correct, virtually every measurement taken and used as a basis for cosmological theory, will be wrong. Light from the sun for example, would take longer to reach us than thought, and light coming from much more distant objects, such as from the Messier 81 galaxy, a distance of 12 million light years, would arrive noticeably later than has been calculated—about two weeks later. The implications are staggering—distances for celestial bodies would have to be recalculated and theories that were created to describe what has been observed would be thrown out. In some cases, astrophysicists would have to start all over from scratch."

phys.org/news/2014-06-physicist-slower-thought.html#ajTabs

[sammy]

Amazing thread! Loving it all!

What you said last Paul struck one of my chords. I wonder this often, and seek some sort of resolution in theory at least. When new ideas or thoughts have been incorporated with huge financial backing, like a business they are unwilling to back out of it and are usually forced out by a majority. Sometimes people are even killed to protect these things. Even when the truth is proven it is covered up or ignored. We will even lie to ourselves to the point we really believe it, and become blind to any light beyond its realm.

So my question is are we progressing slowly as a whole because we don't have the answers?

Or are we progressing so slow, because we don't use the answers we have due to our financial investment?


(to add a financial investment that has no actual physical value beyond paper and ink, and therefore has no actual "body" to keep its limits under control. I see it no more then artfully made play money, and the things of real value that we find can't be cashed in on Earth.)

[paul]

> "constructively" keep arguments open for inspection long enough to make sure all plausible explanations are considered as answers...

I have found that there is a widespread wish to explain (away) difficult phenomena and then forget them altogether.

So why are humans so keen to keep to their current beliefs? Is there some deficiency in thinking that makes humans averse to new ideas?

[paul]

>Revelation 12:4 ► Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.

I find in a variety of cultures that physical cosmic events are entangled with earthly events. For example, it is common to use the same names for planets as for the humanoid gods. We still do that to some extent with foreigners if there are not too many - calling them by their country rather than their personal names.

Thus the account in Revelation seems to me likely to be two events conjoined:

- great disturbance in the orbits of the planetary bodies
- great disturbance in the aliens controlling the Earth with the incoming victors very keen to deal with the new born heir of the displaced ruler. (And if the incoming aliens were like the god of Abraham, perhaps keen for a snack as well)

[paul]

Jul 1, 2014 1:39:44 GMT 9.5 sammy said:

...

So my question is are we progressing slowly as a whole because we don't have the answers?

Or are we progressing so slow, because we don't use the answers we have due to our financial investment?

..

I think that there are more issues to be addressed before framing the question.

For example there is the question of whether the human is the thinker or the thinkee. a406.proboards.com/thread/561/

Then there is the concept of "we". How many separate groups of intelligences are there within the Earth humanoids? What sorts of agenda might be present?

Then we have the concept of time as a single-stranded linear process.

And is what we observe the actual reality or a construct? Red pill or blue pill?