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Post by sammy on Jan 16, 2016 14:09:40 GMT 9.5
So I decided to ask my son (who is 9 now!), what he thought "What do you think when you think of the point inside a shape, like the center point". He said "If there weren't shapes in the world, there would be nothing". HAHA I miss you guys...
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Post by paul on Jan 16, 2016 15:12:29 GMT 9.5
>Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another.
I am not sure this is quite true.
For example, if I want to delete a disturbing energy I may generate an out-of-phase energy and move it into the target energy and that target pretty seems to go out of existence. So far I have not observed any discharge from the phase cancellation.
So where does my energy come from and where does the cancelled-phase energy go to?
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 17, 2016 12:40:39 GMT 9.5
> So where does my energy come from and where does the cancelled-phase energy go to?
This reminds me of Buddhist monks creating thought forms to accompany them as some kind of guide or bodyguard. This can be dangerous and sometimes the thought forms can turn against their creator and have to be destroyed. What happens when the thought forms is destroyed? Is it transformed into something else?
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Post by sammy on Jan 17, 2016 13:27:05 GMT 9.5
>Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another. I am not sure this is quite true. For example, if I want to delete a disturbing energy I may generate an out-of-phase energy and move it into the target energy and that target pretty seems to go out of existence. So far I have not observed any discharge from the phase cancellation. So where does my energy come from and where does the cancelled-phase energy go to? This is a good example. So, a energy is formed into a negative flow. You are taking this flow and reforming it into a positive one. However the unit of energy had always stayed the same, just changed form. Even prior to the negative form.
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Post by paul on Jan 17, 2016 13:31:33 GMT 9.5
.. However the unit of energy had always stayed the same, just changed form. .. There seem to be some assumptions in that proposition. For example, since energy has inherent intelligence (elemental or better), can energy change just from speaking to it. I used to do that with the energy fields of high tension transmission lines - ask them to pull back from living areas and they would.
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Post by paul on Jan 17, 2016 13:41:20 GMT 9.5
.. What happens when the thought forms is destroyed? .. There are various methods of destruction: - recall by creator - energy back to source - gradual erosion - dispersion of energy - energy sucked out by another player - either absorbed or discharged on same plane or other plane - being 'eaten' by another entity - absorbed into entity's light body - cancelled by out-of-phase wave - unclear what happens but probably discharged into higher plane - transfer between time paths - may remain on same plane but in another reality - constructed with self-destruct time horizon - probably dispersion of energy - unfoldment of internal program leading to change of format and perhaps subplane - ?
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Post by sammy on Jan 17, 2016 16:26:58 GMT 9.5
.. However the unit of energy had always stayed the same, just changed form. .. There seem to be some assumptions in that proposition. For example, since energy has inherent intelligence (elemental or better), can energy change just from speaking to it. I used to do that with the energy fields of high tension transmission lines - ask them to pull back from living areas and they would. No assumption... The unit of energy was the person forming the negative energy. Interesting about the energy fields. I think we communicate with energy fields so well because that is what our brain is used to processing, being flows of energy waves and electrical patterns.
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Post by paul on Jan 17, 2016 19:17:50 GMT 9.5
...The unit of energy was the person forming the negative energy... So is the negative energy formed separate from the person? If so, are there now 2 units of energy: the person and the formed energy? Thus energy forms energy. Personally I would think that there are so many intelligences in a human (some trillions) that the term "unit of energy" seems a bit narrow.
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Post by sammy on Jan 18, 2016 4:21:21 GMT 9.5
The unit is the same in amount, just different in flow. A person chooses it's direction via choices/decisions. With your help you changed a negative flow to a more positive one. It is separate to the person only in refining their pool of valid choices for current decisions.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 18, 2016 12:33:05 GMT 9.5
> There are various methods of destruction:
- recall by creator - energy back to source - gradual erosion - dispersion of energy - energy sucked out by another player - either absorbed or discharged on same plane or other plane - being 'eaten' by another entity - absorbed into entity's light body - cancelled by out-of-phase wave - unclear what happens but probably discharged into higher plane - transfer between time paths - may remain on same plane but in another reality - constructed with self-destruct time horizon - probably dispersion of energy - unfoldment of internal program leading to change of format and perhaps subplane - ?
It is quite a complex issue. I believe that great care must be taken to dismantle a thought form if it becomes a problem. The person who creates it should also be able to safely discard it.
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Post by paul on Jan 18, 2016 13:37:30 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Jan 18, 2016 13:58:12 GMT 9.5
> There are various methods of destruction: - recall by creator - energy back to source - gradual erosion - dispersion of energy - energy sucked out by another player - either absorbed or discharged on same plane or other plane - being 'eaten' by another entity - absorbed into entity's light body - cancelled by out-of-phase wave - unclear what happens but probably discharged into higher plane - transfer between time paths - may remain on same plane but in another reality - constructed with self-destruct time horizon - probably dispersion of energy - unfoldment of internal program leading to change of format and perhaps subplane - ? It is quite a complex issue. I believe that great care must be taken to dismantle a thought form if it becomes a problem. The person who creates it should also be able to safely discard it. It is indeed a complex issue. Because the positive and negative energies are in reality people's emotions (whatever form of life). In some cases their faith. With this you can only understand case by case, there is no general resolution to solve people's problems or give them joy. But there is a general method for aproaching it, making it better or making it worse. Obviously you are like me and trying to turn as many flows positive as possible.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 19, 2016 14:07:37 GMT 9.5
You're right, there is no general resolution to solve people's problems. It is about themselves and how they respond (or don't respond) to situations and circumstances. The more positively and humorously people respond to their circumstances the happier they will be.
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Post by paul on Jan 19, 2016 16:50:57 GMT 9.5
>..people's problems. It is about themselves and how they respond
It is perhaps worth noting that people are not alone in their problems. The Asian culture of keeping happy the deceased ancestors is based on a reality that I have experienced. Ancestors often manipulate the relationships of their descendants, for example, to propagate ancient feuds.
Other intelligent influences may also intervene to create or reduce people's problems.
Breaking free of outside influences takes a lot of effort over a long time.
Ultimately it is based upon lifting the frequencies of the light body substances so that the light body no longer resonates with manipulative entities.
Even then, how does a human escape planetary karma?
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 20, 2016 15:00:53 GMT 9.5
> It is perhaps worth noting that people are not alone in their problems.
You are very right indeed. It's very easy to think that you're alone in your problems and difficult circumstances. One must realise that others also have the same problem. It is our tendency toward separative thinking, in our own individuality, that makes us feel alone. We are not at all alone and universal thinking can confirm this.
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Post by sammy on Jan 21, 2016 2:38:23 GMT 9.5
>..people's problems. It is about themselves and how they respond It is perhaps worth noting that people are not alone in their problems. The Asian culture of keeping happy the deceased ancestors is based on a reality that I have experienced. Ancestors often manipulate the relationships of their descendants, for example, to propagate ancient feuds. Other intelligent influences may also intervene to create or reduce people's problems. Breaking free of outside influences takes a lot of effort over a long time. Ultimately it is based upon lifting the frequencies of the light body substances so that the light body no longer resonates with manipulative entities. Even then, how does a human escape planetary karma? Something like the daimond sutra will come at some point. But this one especially is tricky and completely up to the person undergoing it. We have to be ready for that one.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 22, 2016 14:24:13 GMT 9.5
I think manipulative entities are the culprit with many people's problems. One should get into the habit of cleansing the light body regularly.
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Post by paul on Jan 22, 2016 16:47:11 GMT 9.5
Quite so but not always easy.
I recall a fellow with whom I shared a house. He came complaining of possession. So I went up a couple of planes and zapped. The entity was still there. Up another plane; still there. And up another plane; still there. What sort of entity could this be?
I was told that my house mate was being deliberately negative and that every time I displaced the entity it was able to re-enter because of the negativity.
Apparently the negativity was that he knew that he should have moved away.
Thus, subtle negativity, even formed long ago and forgotten, can undermine attempts to be free of problems.
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Post by fjrogers on Jan 23, 2016 13:12:46 GMT 9.5
That reminds me of someone I knew when I was working in China. He worked at the same university as I did in the year 2000, and he complained about everything and everyone in his circumstances; there was always something wrong with his situation. This seemed like a very negative outlook that was probably the result of some entity on another plane that was pervading his state of mind.
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Post by paul on Jan 24, 2016 6:21:47 GMT 9.5
> Does every force we encounter need to be described or named ? > I was of the impression we did work or deeds and either things we could could fix or could not fix / or repair happened !
It rather depends upon the extent of our instinctive knowledge and upon the inner plane support that we are getting.
So when we are in a new context, how do we know whether what we are looking at is muesli or poultry pellets? If the context is new our instincts may not be accurate.
When our hand-holders decide to take off the training wheels, what are we going to do?
When the training wheels are off and we have passed beyond the limit of our maps, we need to be much more careful of what we do.
When I meet an entity of which I am unsure of the power, motivation and function I go through a process:
- measure the plane on which its intelligence exists - measure its light-dark balance - attempt to match it to known taxonomic kingdoms.
Then I often ask the entity to demonstrate some light to me, perhaps the Light of the Buddha or the Light of the Solar Logos. That normally shows up those entities not of good will.
If I am still unsure I look at some of my associates to see their body language.
If all seems well I make contact.
Even then there are rules about what ought to be done. For example, dark beings have their place in the Tzimtzum and it may not be for us to displace them.
Equally, humans in trouble are not always to be rescued. I met a woman last night and showed her various energy hooks she had from relatives and ancestors. She was quite clear she did not want to deal with them. I suspect that as she no longer lives in the same country as her extensive family, the hooks provide a sense of belonging even as they remove freedom.
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