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Sept 13, 2010 16:43:27 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Sept 13, 2010 16:43:27 GMT 9.5
Is Freemasonry balanced? Can single sex Orders maintain balance or are they prone to become too weighted on one side with regards to Yin and Yang. A little something from The Turning Poin, Science, Society and the Rising Culture by Fritjof CapraOur progress.. has been largely a rational and intellectual affair, and this one-side evolution has now reached a highly alarming stage, a situation so paradoxical that it borders insanity. We can control the soft landings of space craft on distant planets, but we are unable to control the polluting fumes emanating from our cars and factories. We propose Utopian communities in gigantic space colonies, but cannot manage our cities. The business world makes us believe that huge industries producing pet foods and cosmetics are a sign of our high standards of living, while economists try to tell us we cannot ‘afford’ adequate health care, education, or public transport. Medical science and pharmacology are endangering our health, and the Defence Department has become the greatest threat to our national security. Those are the results of overemphasizing our yang or masculine side – rational knowledge, analysis, expansion – neglecting our yin, or feminine side – intuitive wisdom, synthesis, and ecological awareness
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Sept 13, 2010 22:48:25 GMT 9.5
Post by coach on Sept 13, 2010 22:48:25 GMT 9.5
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Sept 14, 2010 9:04:15 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Sept 14, 2010 9:04:15 GMT 9.5
;D I knew you were going to say that. Next question would have to be - does an unbalanced person, or society, recognise that it is unbalanced? Did Hitler think he was unbalanced? I think that evil is a symptom of imbalance. Do fundamentalists from all religions or belief systems realised they hold unbalanced views? Science is a belief system... the science of the day is the belief of the day.
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Sept 14, 2010 9:07:47 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Sept 14, 2010 9:07:47 GMT 9.5
So is belief in single sex Masonry equivalent to believing in the flat earth?
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Sept 14, 2010 10:33:31 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Sept 14, 2010 10:33:31 GMT 9.5
So is belief in single sex Masonry equivalent to believing in the flat earth? More the moon really... the side we see and the side which is left in the dark. (and why didn't we land on the dark side of the moon to see what we could see? ) I actually don't mind that one can make a choice between single sex Freemasonry and mixed Freemasonry and I believe everyone should be left to choose that which suits them best. I do think that Freemasonry demonstrates imbalance when those in charge of it at the time determine to not recognise various Orders solely because they Initiate women. We know what can happen when science overruns religion and we know what happens when religion overruns science. We know what happens when the mind rules without heart and the heart rules without mind. If the balance factor is ignored things change and deteriorate over time. That which has eaten all will eventually die of starvation.
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Sept 14, 2010 10:41:41 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Sept 14, 2010 10:41:41 GMT 9.5
>I believe everyone should be left to choose that which suits them best.
That is certainly the case when we are making good men/women better.
The work with the Temple in the Heavens, however, may require both colours of tile for its pavement.
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Sept 14, 2010 16:25:19 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Sept 14, 2010 16:25:19 GMT 9.5
More the moon really... the side we see and the side which is left in the dark. (and why didn't we land on the dark side of the moon to see what we could see? ) There is no dark side of the moon. The side opposite the earth is light when the side we can see is dark. They landed on the earth side because we were well familiar with the topography.
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Sept 14, 2010 16:29:48 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Sept 14, 2010 16:29:48 GMT 9.5
Balance is achieved within one's self. The spiritual force within has both male and female currents. It is not required that men and women be within close proximity to achieve this. Your efforts are better spent on improvement within your own order, rather than pointing out the perceived shortcomings of another. The path is open to all, male, female and mixed.
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Sept 14, 2010 21:36:45 GMT 9.5
Post by coach on Sept 14, 2010 21:36:45 GMT 9.5
;D I knew you were going to say that. Like the dawn of each day - expect it without fail. Next question would have to be - does an unbalanced person, or society, recognise that it is unbalanced? It is possible. Is it probable? That's a whole different equation. Did Hitler think he was unbalanced? I think that evil is a symptom of imbalance. He might have at specific moments but the system he was involved in nullified any awareness instantly to maintain the system. Do fundamentalists from all religions or belief systems realised they hold unbalanced views? It depends upon how unbalanced they are and if that imbalance causes them enough pain to warrant seeking a solution that points toward balance. Science is a belief system... the science of the day is the belief of the day. Yes, and as I understand scientific practice, it seeks the truth through consistent methods designed to disprove accepted truths that lack integrity. So is belief in single sex Masonry equivalent to believing in the flat earth? No.
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Sept 15, 2010 8:23:44 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2010 8:23:44 GMT 9.5
He might have at specific moments but the system he was involved in nullified any awareness instantly to maintain the system. Can I use your words to uphold my side of the argument?
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Sept 15, 2010 8:29:33 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Sept 15, 2010 8:29:33 GMT 9.5
Hitler had a strong spiritual basis to his work. He followed at least two gods of which the closest is the Logos of Saturn (The Grim Reaper).
The Logos of Saturn continues to recruit disciples from amongst humanity
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Sept 15, 2010 11:13:08 GMT 9.5
Post by coach on Sept 15, 2010 11:13:08 GMT 9.5
He might have at specific moments but the system he was involved in nullified any awareness instantly to maintain the system. Can I use your words to uphold my side of the argument? Sure. If you must. I prefer a concerted discourse though. Arguing usually leads nowhere and sides are for those who like to construct boxes ;D
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Sept 15, 2010 13:39:14 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2010 13:39:14 GMT 9.5
Coach, you have a wonderful way with words and an education I can only dream of. My skills lie in other areas, which are a bit of a draw back on a forum Argument: a series of reasons given to explain or prove... your excellent observation also suited my view on this topic. Just view it as a sincere form of flattery that I could not explain things better myself (And he is good with words reader, coach has a few good books under his belt)
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Sept 15, 2010 22:58:58 GMT 9.5
Post by coach on Sept 15, 2010 22:58:58 GMT 9.5
Coach, you have a wonderful way with words and an education I can only dream of. My skills lie in other areas, which are a bit of a draw back on a forum Aw shucks -- thanks . Argument: a series of reasons given to explain or prove... your excellent observation also suited my view on this topic. Just view it as a sincere form of flattery that I could not explain things better myself Sort of like good clean healthy "forum play" eh? ;D Please continue... (with your arguement, that is...) (And he is good with words reader, coach has a few good books under his belt) Thanks for that too! Once again, you can find those books at...
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Sept 16, 2010 9:25:21 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Sept 16, 2010 9:25:21 GMT 9.5
Please pm coach for more info if you are interested. These books will be very useful in any lodge which seeks to provide education resources for its members.
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Oct 5, 2010 0:17:41 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Oct 5, 2010 0:17:41 GMT 9.5
culture has a large effect on what we consider a balanced society.. it is often only in hindsight that we can clearly see imbalance was present..
those who protest against an imbalance that is accepted as the norm by a society r fighting an uphill battle untill the norm changes.. a norm usually only changes when events occur that require ppl to rethink certain values which the event has shown to go against their sense of justice..
the "event" hitler, brought to the attention the idea that there r "sub-human races".. this forced many whod otherwise agree, to ponder their perspective.. this in turn changed the norm to a more balanced state..
an interesting question is if that norm would have changed without this particular event.. iow, do we need hitlers to achieve a more balanced state?
suppose wed simulate events in order to educate, rather than allow the evils of this world to teach us the hard way?
train hard, fight easy?
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Oct 5, 2010 7:40:19 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 5, 2010 7:40:19 GMT 9.5
It is rare to find a human who admits to being unbalanced. This is partly because the human (society) uses its own (unbalanced?) consciousness to measure itself.
How then can a human (society) measure balance in an objective way?
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Oct 5, 2010 16:01:13 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Oct 5, 2010 16:01:13 GMT 9.5
A society can only deal with "balance" through the rule of law. That is why the symbol for justice is the scales, held by a blindfolded woman holding a sword. This means that justice is blind, in the sense that a decision is to be made based on a perponderance of evidence, and not personal bias. A society can only be balanced when it bases it's system of law and governance on the principle of individual rights. The protection of individual rights is the only legitimate function of govenment. Such a society will be "balanced."
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Oct 5, 2010 17:45:18 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Oct 5, 2010 17:45:18 GMT 9.5
Actually the blindfolded woman is the goddess Themis - suggesting that balance (and justice) need to be provided to the human race. "Themis (Greek: Θέμις) is an ancient Greek Titan. She is described as "of good counsel", and is the embodiment of divine order, law, and custom. Themis means "divine law" rather than human ordinance, literally "that which is put in place", from the verb τίθημι, títhēmi, "to put"" She seems a little Masonic in her virtues.
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Oct 5, 2010 18:23:57 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Oct 5, 2010 18:23:57 GMT 9.5
individual rights and the protection thereof varies greatly amongst societies that considder themselves balanced.. societies written and unwritten "rules" of what is allowed or not allowed, r the foundation for the rights of the individual and the measure of protection of those..
a nations law reflects its societies balance, but is not the cause of it..
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