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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 9, 2023 16:57:55 GMT 9.5
Yes the United Nations has its problems Paul, more that you mention. However it does cover the globe. As I was reminded publicly recently by. British military type on another forum when I was praising the U.S. for its remote viewing research and declassification:……”the country that brought us extraordinary rendition”. He made a fair point. I believe from reading numerous ufo books that the US does rule the roost in this regard (at least in the West), but that does not mean the our visiting friends would see the US as the people to talk too. Possible issues: 1. Our visiting friends might be led by an eg original Chinese Emperor, who may prefer China to be the control centre. 2. If even a fraction of the widely reported shoot downs, capturing, autopsies etc are true, maybe our visiting friends want legal retribution? 3. Given that our visiting friends have been interacting with us for millennia, maybe they are just continuing on their agenda communicating with who they choose? Etc The latter two possibilities make the Artemis Accords a dead duck side show. Maybe their Earthly representatives are already walking this planet, talking quietly to governments who don’t war? Or maybe those that do!
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Post by paul on Oct 9, 2023 18:51:40 GMT 9.5
>might be led by an eg original Chinese Emperor, who may prefer China to be the control centre.
If you match the current Chinese president with a former emperor you may find why China has its current policies
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 9, 2023 22:33:39 GMT 9.5
How is that any different to any other reincarnation?
Eg (as picked up and identified by US probable Spooks two decades ago) I just want people to be nice. Presumably that was my message in past lives as well?
Or have I, and other reincarnated beings, evolved through the ages, changing our message as we plod on? If so how does that relate to a China?
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Post by sammy on Oct 9, 2023 23:54:34 GMT 9.5
How is that any different to any other reincarnation? Eg (as picked up and identified by US probable Spooks two decades ago) I just want people to be nice. Presumably that was my message in past lives as well? Or have I, and other reincarnated beings, evolved through the ages, changing our message as we plod on? If so how does that relate to a China? Paul may be eluding to this.. but I am not convinced Xi is the reincarnation of a past ruler. It may be more closely related then that. Also why China would not be a suitable point of contact. Stuck in the old rut, one might say.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 9, 2023 23:59:03 GMT 9.5
My point, if you try to look at it from a visitors perspective (or perhaps even planet ownership or human created perspective), why is the US the optimal choice?
From a western human perspective I get it, but that isn’t really the perspective that matters most here. It the perspective of our visiting friends, whatever that might be. In terms of sheer human populations, China and India are way above the U.S. China also has global influence in many ways.
My choice would be the United Nations, as that incorporates nearly every nation on this planet.
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Post by sammy on Oct 10, 2023 0:10:57 GMT 9.5
My point, if you try to look at it from a visitors perspective (or perhaps even planet ownership or human created perspective), why is the US the optimal choice? From a western human perspective I get it, but that isn’t really the perspective that matters most here. It the perspective of our visiting friends, whatever that might be. In terms of sheer human populations, China and India are way above the U.S. China also has global influence in many ways. My choice would be the United Nations, as that incorporates nearly every nation on this planet. I was not making the point US was a better choice, but merely not China. My point I was making is we do not know the conditions. It may not be a nation at all they seek but an individual, by which they have to negotiate through a nation to achieve that goal. Then to a further point.. what if the leaders of this nation knew it was coming and didn't want to just hand over their power and control?
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 0:33:57 GMT 9.5
My point, if you try to look at it from a visitors perspective (or perhaps even planet ownership or human created perspective), why is the US the optimal choice? From a western human perspective I get it, but that isn’t really the perspective that matters most here. It the perspective of our visiting friends, whatever that might be. In terms of sheer human populations, China and India are way above the U.S. China also has global influence in many ways. My choice would be the United Nations, as that incorporates nearly every nation on this planet. I was not making the point US was a better choice, but merely not China. My point I was making is we do not know the conditions. It may not be a nation at all they seek but an individual, by which they have to negotiate through a nation to achieve that goal. Then to a further point.. what if the leaders of this nation knew it was coming and didn't want to just hand over their power and control? Again very astute Sammy. 1. Historically Gods/Aliens have communicated through an individual of their choosing. Wonder who that could be? 2. Which is why I asked earlier who would earthly powers that be negotiate with after coming together? 3. Given that the US reportedly does rule the roost here, I fully understand that they may not want to lose their influence. But that matters little if our visiting friends are eg annoyed at historic actions and seeking legal remedies through a galactic Law courts (just like International law or extraterritorial law of some nations). 4. I am not saying that China is the best choice, only that it might be ‘their’ choice.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 0:35:02 GMT 9.5
Audrey Tatau still gets my vote
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 4:03:57 GMT 9.5
Sammy I have been reflecting further on your words above.
1. Why would they have to? 2. Historically they have just gone direct. 3. Why would it be any different today? (Beyond human egos, fears, control, etc)
It may well be that any such Artemis Accord group could be in a bit of a pickle when their elected representatives are told speak to eg Paul.
If human rulers don’t accept that, it might not matter one iota to our visiting friends. Apart from a diplomatic spat, the Artemis Accords are again just a side show dead duck.
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Post by sammy on Oct 10, 2023 4:09:11 GMT 9.5
Sammy I have been reflecting further on your words above. 1. Why would they have to? 2. Historically they have just gone direct. 3. Why would it be any different today? (Beyond human egos, fears, control, etc) It may well be that any such Artemis Accord group could be in a bit of a pickle when their elected representatives are told speak to eg Paul. If human rulers don’t accept that, it might not matter one iota to our visiting friends. Apart from a diplomatic spat, the Artemis Accords are again just a side show dead duck. The best I can answer this is that they cannot interfere with human will. The choices we make will be ours to live with.. good or bad.
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Post by sammy on Oct 10, 2023 4:10:10 GMT 9.5
Influence is not considered interference.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 4:27:32 GMT 9.5
Sammy, step to one side and reflect further.
Free will is not the issue here. It’s who our visiting friends would choose to talk to. As you originally noted it might be an individual. History would suggest that is indeed the case. Our visiting friends have no need to go via any human grouping. That is human perspective, and national need to control.
Look at any religions prophets. Did God talk to them via their governments of the day?
Now there are reasons why they might want to go via national groupings, and if comprehensive could be for the good, but the way that the Artemis Accords are being portrayed I think that there is a fair chance that either: from a planetary perspective it might be sub optimal, or eg in due course a bit of a shock as criminals in the eyes of galactic laws are extradited. Now it you were talking the United Nations different kettle of fish.
If you were a God or an Alien Sammy, who would you talk to? (Try to forget your nationality for a moment).
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 4:30:28 GMT 9.5
Maybe Sammy, you are (and you just don’t know it yet) the representative of alien nations/Gods and the leaders of the Artemis Accords might be ultimately told something like….great you are now a cohesive committee representing the Earth, now off you toddle and chat to Sammy, he speaks for us, collectively. All hail Sammy! As noted above, historically they do speak to individuals directly. Take your pick from whatever religion.
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Post by sammy on Oct 10, 2023 5:15:52 GMT 9.5
Maybe Sammy, you are (and you just don’t know it yet) the representative of alien nations/Gods and the leaders of the Artemis Accords might be ultimately told something like….great you are now a cohesive committee representing the Earth, now off you toddle and chat to Sammy, he speaks for us, collectively. All hail Sammy! As noted above, historically they do speak to individuals directly. Take your pick from whatever religion. Haha perhaps.. Regardless my choice on the matter it is humans as a collective that make such a choice. Else it would not be supported/allowed to proceed by ourselves and others. As such.. the one chosen will also have to make the same choice once it is at hand.
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Post by sammy on Oct 10, 2023 8:36:49 GMT 9.5
To go a step further on this point..
If one understands enough of this position, they will see how it is not something ANYONE would want to hold. Those subject to ego and pride will think others need leading toward salvation and they would try. This is not the case.. you will be given no power over others infact the opposite.
The one that is chosen will be accountable for others.. their happiness and progress of life will be your personal responsibility. Others will be in control of you in this respect. For it is the will of others you will have to appease.
Knowing what I know.. I don't want to take this position and people who do are crazy. If I am faced with being the last to choose myself, I will do it and try my best as I always have. I would however not choose myself otherwise.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 16:37:17 GMT 9.5
To go a step further on this point.. If one understands enough of this position, they will see how it is not something ANYONE would want to hold . Indeed and totally agree Sammy. But that is how history repeatably indicates is how it works, across religions. Some practical considerations: kidnap, torture, blackmail, for your whole family. On a personal level, if your base energies are not under control you could easily turn to the dark side. Yet there are plenty of evangelicals out there whose church leaders talk about God talking to them. I would guess that they would be the first to apply!
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 16:39:36 GMT 9.5
Sammy wrote “ Regardless my choice on the matter it is humans as a collective that make such a choice.”
Sorry I wasn’t clear, it may be that our visiting friends make that collective choice.
Humans didn’t collectively choose eg Moses or Jesus. That came from above.
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Post by sammy on Oct 10, 2023 23:42:16 GMT 9.5
Sammy wrote “ Regardless my choice on the matter it is humans as a collective that make such a choice.” Sorry I wasn’t clear, it may be that our visiting friends make that collective choice. Humans didn’t collectively choose eg Moses or Jesus. That came from above. Truly for this scenario.. anything is possible 🤷♂️
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 10, 2023 23:58:45 GMT 9.5
I am just having a bit of fun Sammy.
Like to get people to think.
An advantage of living in a free democracy.
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Post by sammy on Oct 11, 2023 1:19:08 GMT 9.5
Please forgive me if that came across as rude. I had just meant to give your theory the room it deserves. By all means think away!
The old memories I recovered offer a theory but that doesn't bring any of us closer to the truth of what lays ahead.
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