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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 22, 2022 11:44:16 GMT 9.5
Added after reading that my (British) prime minister is going hard against Russia at the United Nations:-
1. She will obviously have more facts than me to work from, after all she has the resources of our, and five eyes, spooks, and our diplomats. 2. Gaining consensus is important as acting individually could just lead to nations being picked off one by one. And we are talking about the very real potential of ww3 soon. 3. Where I waiver is her thoughts on international law. I agree with her. But what likely matters to Putin is Russian law. Why? Before Ukraine Putin was clear that one of the factors that has placed him in the position to invade Ukraine, was the Wests continual breaking of security guarantees since the end of the Cold War. From reading about it seems that he could well be correct on this. So, from his perspective, if the West can break agreements….., and by ensuring that all is good in Russian law, I think he will feel justified in not worrying too much.
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Post by sammy on Sept 22, 2022 12:23:33 GMT 9.5
Thank you for the break down!
I don't get to hear British politics much.
About everything else.. I'll just say nothing is ever what it seems.
Including Putin.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 22, 2022 16:42:25 GMT 9.5
« US ‘will retaliate with devastating strike’ if Putin follows through on nuclear threat It comes after Moscow’s chilling warning to the West »
From The Independent newspaper online (via Apple News) this morning.
Putin is I believe being serious, assuming that the US kept its word here, it seems likely Putin would stop targeting Europe and target the U.S. directly. Again which nations population is likely to cope best with eg cities being destroyed (though obviously it could be military targets)? We seem to be talking our way into nuclear war. Will US children receive training to hide under their school desks again?
Increasingly we are but a few missteps away from ww3. Hopefully China can act as a wise shoulder to Russia. But who is going to act as a wise shoulder to the US?
It’s a bit late for it to be effective, but at least I suggested a possible partial way forward when it might have worked. Now we are in the hands of people being cornered. I can only hope that behind the public bravado, there is a lot of wise diplomacy going on.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 22, 2022 16:43:51 GMT 9.5
China must be laughing all the way to the bank, given it could become the winner here.
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Post by sammy on Sept 22, 2022 22:07:28 GMT 9.5
I know it's scary Stewart.. many are. Including our leaders, but his threats aren't new. Neither is nuclear technology.. defense is a well versed arm. We all just hope it doesn't come to that.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 22, 2022 23:04:05 GMT 9.5
Sammy
I agree I hope wisdom prevails and it is avoided.
However, consider, there are those who:
1. Benefit from global war, eg arms manufacturers and ordinary manufacturers who get repurposed. 2. Those who genuinely want to rule the world, if they succeed. 3. In the conspiracy world who have been predicting ww3 as if a shadow group are orchestrating it. 4. The likes of Sitchin, who use interpretations of historical records to show how ww3 might be pre ordained destiny, or at least fate his Sitchin works, (fate can be altered destiny can not). 5. Those, like me, who can feel the energy threads and follow them. In my case timing wise much to the same conclusion as Sitchin. 2025 peak risk. We are nearly in 2023! Though as I haven’t kept up the work to maintain this rolling 10 year prediction take my view with a pinch of salt. It was a lot of work, got me ridicule and grief (for using 2 decimal places would you believe!).
To be avoided, and remember…
1. I don’t know what spooks and diplomats and politicians know, as that is secret. 2. We don’t know what is happening behind the scenes away from the public propaganda bluster.
We need to see the genuine will to resolve the issue, from all sides, without egos, noses out of joint, etc.
To me it just seems like we are sleepwalking towards ww3 as 21st century realities haven’t been given sufficient weight in the (public anyway) calculus. Eg social media, cyber capabilities, etc.
Still some will make political careers out of it, and in a worse case scenario, as with the last two global wars, inequity will fall. And it strengths my case for reporting back that Homo sapiens need an urgent helping hand to evolve.
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2022 0:47:29 GMT 9.5
Truly it is hard to see with blinders on.. and not easing the edge at all. Also keep in mind the remote viewing, telepathy, etc... we have been discussing. A fragile ecosystem to navigate if that is the case.
Also consider the massive amounts of UFO activity over that area.. Also notoriously UFO are spotted around nuclear facilities.
Lastly consider that we are all part of our fathers plan.
I cannot say none will come to harm.. I will say we have no idea the game.
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Post by paul on Sept 25, 2022 16:46:59 GMT 9.5
Posters in Amsterdam It goes without saying that it is not the politicians and capitalists that will own nothing Workers will be in rental accommodation with rental cars and no superannuation - keeping their heads down and voting as they are told
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 26, 2022 3:35:49 GMT 9.5
The funny thing with that it is possible to be happy with nothing (thinking Amazon tribes etc and modern goods), but very unhappy with lots of stuff (blackmail, kidnapping, etc).
The trend towards greater inequality…
1. Is a symptom/effect of money addiction. 2. Will only make our world less stable and risky for the wealthy. At its extreme when ‘enough is enough’ even loyal servants might snap. 3. Has caused a lot of harm to a lot of people.
That all said I do think that the WEF does a lot of good in bringing politicians, business people, academics and campaigners together. Though I appreciate that much of the real stuff is done in the ‘holographic group’, aside of the main event as businesses meet clients, and oh yes at the parties.
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Post by paul on Sept 26, 2022 16:20:58 GMT 9.5
Is Xi (like Putin) not tough enough? "“New [rumor] to be checked out: Is Xi [Jinping] under house arrest in Beijing?” wrote Subramanian Swamy, a former Indian Cabinet minister and Parliament member. Such speculation also comes as Chinese nationals noted mass flight cancellations across the country. Nearly 10,000 flights—almost two-thirds of those scheduled for the day—were called off on Sept. 24, the same day that a key conference on national defense and military reform was convened in Beijing. Weibo, China’s top social media platform, swiftly censored discussions about the flight cancellations, declaring them to be “rumors.” Xi, who returned to China’s capital on Sept. 16 after meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at a regional summit in Central Asia, didn’t appear at the Beijing meeting but relayed instructions that the armed forces should focus on preparing for war. Similarly missing was Wei Fenghe, Xi’s handpicked Chinese military general currently serving as the country’s defense minister." www.theepochtimes.com/xis-absence-from-public-eye-ahead-of-third-term-bid-sets-rumors-flying_4752887.html?src_src=AoHwmorningbriefnoe&src_cmp=Aomb-2022-09-25&est=48O8LbCWwMU7tnvHJzQTzY4uGmK%2FekvZ87zLpDxuiKv1aZfREDOWo5c29%2Fs%3DXi in an earlier incarnation as an emperor of China, failed in his attempt to expand the empire. Will he fail again?
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Post by sammy on Sept 26, 2022 22:54:27 GMT 9.5
The earlier incarnation could easily be due to the current one.
There is no getting ahead of what is to be. Some would try though..
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Post by paul on Sept 27, 2022 6:18:03 GMT 9.5
>The earlier incarnation could easily be due to the current one.
While humans see time as linear (apart from those engaged in temporal wars) from other perspectives, all life stages are present together. Thus the causality apparent to most humans may be incorrect.
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Post by valent on Sept 27, 2022 7:06:34 GMT 9.5
For the last several months I have been watching/waiting for most currencies to tank. Time is ticking...
Russia will call up addition military support once the regions in Ukraine are part of Russia. If anyone attacks these locations I suspect excessive retaliation will be used then. No talk of peace, to stop war and save lives.
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Post by paul on Sept 27, 2022 7:52:10 GMT 9.5
Here is the UK Pound since the 1700s - still in a strong down trend. And the Euro is heading into freefall The UK is cancelling paper notes of 20 and 50 pounds - but not (yet) those polymer notes. Old people need to get their savings from under the bed and deposit in banks. When there is no paper money the government will see all transactions and tax as/who it wishes. The US dollar will be last to fall - as it is used in many countries in preference to local currencies and those pulling their wealth out of Europe need to put it somewhere safe. US notes have never been cancelled
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Post by sammy on Sept 28, 2022 1:34:00 GMT 9.5
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Post by sammy on Sept 28, 2022 1:35:59 GMT 9.5
The person giving the statements might not have the most perfect Intel.. but worth a read.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 28, 2022 2:02:39 GMT 9.5
Putin has warned he would if necessary even prior to invasion. Now that he is getting cornered as the article suggests, what do you expect? Especially with all the negative propaganda about him (this isn’t 1914 or 1939). Furthermore Russia, unlike the U.S. has a first strike policy iirc.
Now, if the referendum republics do vote (whether rigged or not) for reincorporation into Russia (which Russian law was recently changed to allow), from a Russian legal perspective any further Ukrainian advances will be a de facto attack on Mother Russia. Putin will almost certainly have to respond hard. And oh yes those weapons hitting Russian territory are US and NATOs……. Could get messy fast. Even if the CIA, special forces or Russians take Putin out, his most likely successors are reportedly even more hard line.
The coming days and weeks could get interesting, beyond sabotage to Nord1.
While the West deals with populist politics, dysfunctional politics, energy crisis, etc, I can only hope that spooks and diplomats have this in hand. Though I don’t expect (but haven’t kept up the work on this so take it with a pinch of salt) ww3 for c2.5 more years. Even then I hope that nothing happens as spooks and diplomats have risen to the challenge and prevented it.
Hopefully sometime real soon instead of belittling Putin, people with listen with an open mind and heart to Putins perspective and find ways to resolve this. Who comes next might be even more radical.
And that’s before you even consider possible Russian sleepers causing domestic chaos, or cyber attacks screwing up your bank, your money, your water, your fuel. Remember the shops when covid 19 started, bare, now imagine if food can’t move due to cyber attacks. How long before domestic unrest?
Sort of glad I am not head of a spy agency, it must be a sobering time for them.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 28, 2022 2:14:23 GMT 9.5
Before I forget, don’t forget, that regardless of how politicians present victory, the real winner is very likely to be China.
It’s a bit of a lose lose for the West and Russia. Converting that into something manageable politically is beyond my skill base.
It’s Ukraine, it’s people, and It’s inspiring President I feel for.
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Post by sammy on Sept 28, 2022 3:40:55 GMT 9.5
Putin has warned he would if necessary even prior to invasion. Now that he is getting cornered as the article suggests, what do you expect? Especially with all the negative propaganda about him (this isn’t 1914 or 1939). Furthermore Russia, unlike the U.S. has a first strike policy iirc. Now, if the referendum republics do vote (whether rigged or not) for reincorporation into Russia (which Russian law was recently changed to allow), from a Russian legal perspective any further Ukrainian advances will be a de facto attack on Mother Russia. Putin will almost certainly have to respond hard. And oh yes those weapons hitting Russian territory are US and NATOs……. Could get messy fast. Even if the CIA, special forces or Russians take Putin out, his most likely successors are reportedly even more hard line. The coming days and weeks could get interesting, beyond sabotage to Nord1. While the West deals with populist politics, dysfunctional politics, energy crisis, etc, I can only hope that spooks and diplomats have this in hand. Though I don’t expect (but haven’t kept up the work on this so take it with a pinch of salt) ww3 for c2.5 more years. Even then I hope that nothing happens as spooks and diplomats have risen to the challenge and prevented it. Hopefully sometime real soon instead of belittling Putin, people with listen with an open mind and heart to Putins perspective and find ways to resolve this. Who comes next might be even more radical. And that’s before you even consider possible Russian sleepers causing domestic chaos, or cyber attacks screwing up your bank, your money, your water, your fuel. Remember the shops when covid 19 started, bare, now imagine if fuel can’t move due to cyber attacks. How long before domestic unrest? Sort of glad I am not head of a spy agency, it must be a sobering time for them. The "figurehead" of Putin and the man himself might surprise you. Russia is the home base for oligarchs. We don't fight the agenda of Putin, but that of the depraved (I.E. China, NK, MAGA, etc..). Like I have been saying... control the minds and you control the people. The last thing they want is for us to wake up and realize we control ourselves.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 28, 2022 3:53:38 GMT 9.5
Putin has warned he would if necessary even prior to invasion. Now that he is getting cornered as the article suggests, what do you expect? Especially with all the negative propaganda about him (this isn’t 1914 or 1939). Furthermore Russia, unlike the U.S. has a first strike policy iirc. Now, if the referendum republics do vote (whether rigged or not) for reincorporation into Russia (which Russian law was recently changed to allow), from a Russian legal perspective any further Ukrainian advances will be a de facto attack on Mother Russia. Putin will almost certainly have to respond hard. And oh yes those weapons hitting Russian territory are US and NATOs……. Could get messy fast. Even if the CIA, special forces or Russians take Putin out, his most likely successors are reportedly even more hard line. The coming days and weeks could get interesting, beyond sabotage to Nord1. While the West deals with populist politics, dysfunctional politics, energy crisis, etc, I can only hope that spooks and diplomats have this in hand. Though I don’t expect (but haven’t kept up the work on this so take it with a pinch of salt) ww3 for c2.5 more years. Even then I hope that nothing happens as spooks and diplomats have risen to the challenge and prevented it. Hopefully sometime real soon instead of belittling Putin, people with listen with an open mind and heart to Putins perspective and find ways to resolve this. Who comes next might be even more radical. And that’s before you even consider possible Russian sleepers causing domestic chaos, or cyber attacks screwing up your bank, your money, your water, your fuel. Remember the shops when covid 19 started, bare, now imagine if fuel can’t move due to cyber attacks. How long before domestic unrest? Sort of glad I am not head of a spy agency, it must be a sobering time for them. The "figurehead" of Putin and the man himself might surprise you. Russia is the home base for oligarchs. We don't fight the agenda of Putin, but that of the depraved (I.E. China, NK, MAGA, etc..). Like I have been saying... control the minds and you control the people. The last thing they want is for us to wake up and realize we control ourselves. Sammy, I have always wondered who ‘they’ are? For the past 12 years in Britain government policies have iirc declared people literally dying in hospital as fit for work. Have sent many (including working people eg nurses) to food banks. Contributed to the death of many evidenced by coroners and our very own government parliamentary committee on it. Children are routinely going hungry, with ‘hungry holidays’ (no school meals) being a common term nowadays. Who are we to criticise other governments when we happily do that to our own people? Again at least I forewarned.
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