How does lust occur?

[paul]

I was passing through a shopping mall and a new shop is to be opened with the name Lust List.

So I wondered how lust occurs. Certainly some humans lust after others in a sexual sense, but there lust is discriminating - directed to a particular person. So why is lust discriminating?

What about lust for objects - cars, houses, paintings? Is that also discriminating?

So how can lust be discriminating? What is the mechanism?

[elijah]

So I wondered how lust occurs. Certainly some humans lust after others in a sexual sense, but there lust is discriminating - directed to a particular person. So why is lust discriminating?

I would say its favorable...as certain illusory desires take on more quality's a person lust for...but in it's truest sense one will always settle for less if need be...
as long as some form of the illusory desire is met...this can create attachments that are very hard to break ....





What about lust for objects - cars, houses, paintings? Is that also discriminating?

Depends on how exact the lust force operates within the human... since material objects cant tell us if they share the same lust we do...then there is a less discriminating factor emotionally and psychically...


So how can lust be discriminating? What is the mechanism?

The power we give the lust elemental during its creation is the power it can take from us...and while lust can be a great tool in showing one how focused will power
can manifest a desirable outcome in reality...if out of control it can become a obsession
that leads to possession by the elemental..imo lust is a gateway drug to greater evils when left unchecked ...lust-greed lust-wrath lust-pride

Now can LUST be transmuted into LOVE?
or is it incomplete due to its obsessive nature of illusory dualism and desire..

[paul]

We tend to think of lust as being a crude impulse. How then can be lust be so discriminating as to focus on a single person or object?

Is lust the lower expression of some more refined impulse?

[fjrogers]

I think lust might be very strongly connected with outer appearances. A person is drawn to people, or perhaps objects, with a very strong desire that is deluded by ignorance. Deeper aspects of a situation are not realised or ignored.

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Aug 14, 2015 7:35:51 GMT 9.5 paul said:

Is lust the lower expression of some more refined impulse?

I think it is.

What Buddhists would call right view, I would say is integrating the incoming sense data and not objectifying it and not attaching to it, i.e. not seeing the senses as something external to oneself. When we organise the sense data into objects, we are subject, to greater or lesser extent, attachment, the attachment manifests according to how much we modify the view by our own misunderstandings. So lust is attachment to form, and the nature of the form is subject to how much we misinterpret the more refined manifestation underlying the forms we create. The more specific the lust the more broken up and modified the view is, leading to behaviours such as fetishism. I find it interesting to imagine what the lust would be without attachments to specific objects, I wonder if that would be a sort of spiritual, religious, ecstasy.

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>And a lust for more of the presence of serenity with God OR Spirituality

The perception of separation being the thing that causes the lust.

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

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>There are very prominent religious and spiritual females of old

Indeed, Hildegard had, I believe, a good understanding of lust in the more coarse and refined senses.

"For as soon as the storm of passion arises with a man, he is thrown about in it like a mill.
His sexual organs then are so to speak the forge to which the marrow delivers its fire. That
forge then transmits the blaze to the male genitals and makes them flame up mightily. If
however, the wind of lust arises from the female marrow, it comes into the uterus that hangs at
the navel and stirs the woman's blood with excitement. But the uterus possesses a wide and so
to speak open space around the navel region so that wind can spread around the woman's
womb; therefore, it lets her flow with passion less vehemently."

and all this for cut and paste proliferation.

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> Seems a permanent change is made in that human

I agree

[pointwithinacircle]

I define lust as desire. I would describe a continuum between want and fulfillment. The level of lust I feel at any moment is a description of my current position on the want/fulfillment continuum. Whew!

Feelings of happiness, contentment, joy (fulfillment) are related to the levels of certain chemicals in the brain. Everyone has a natural tendency to have a certain level of these chemicals. Additionally, there appear to be certain practices that affect these levels. Meditation, exercise, and eating right are common methods of affecting ones "moods" positively. (I won't bother to list the negative things one can do to affect ones mood.)

A natural tendency toward low levels of these chemicals is often called depression. A natural tendency toward high levels of these chemicals is often called "that annoying person who is always happy and can't understand why you are not! <--- These are the jokes folks!

But all of that is merely so you can understand the framework I am using when I answer your question. To want, to lust, is only a bad thing if it is uncontrolled. To address your question "why is lust discriminating?" I would reply "because I take control of it". Today I know that my consciousness is not attacked by scantily dressed women, motorcycles, or chocolate desserts (and in my case airplanes). I attach consciousness to all these things. Yes, some of these attachments arise from my unconscious mind and I have no idea where they originate, but they are still mine.

When I was young I had little control over the things to which my mind attached itself, and absolutely no knowledge of the process. Today I have gotten better at it. Sometimes my wife and I spend a quiet evening together intentionally attaching our consciousnesses. Sometimes I spend an afternoon washing, waxing, and polishing my motorcycle in anticipation of a great ride. And the time spent washing, waxing, and polishing, the time spend intentionally attaching my consciousness, makes the ride better. (thinly veiled esoteric reference)

When I was young I felt like I was drowning in a sea of life. Every pretty thing was a wave breaking over my head. In desperation I asked for help and what I received was a set of plans for building a boat. I still recall the water-logged intoxication of drowning in a sea of pleasure. But to sail above the waves one must choose their lusts wisely.

[paul]

To address your question "why is lust discriminating?" I would reply "because I take control of it".

I am not sure that is quite correct.

I recall a woman with whom I was and am closely connected in terms of spiritual purpose. In the early days of our relationship there were occasional visits and I was surprised at the amount of driven sexual activity - even when my body was fatigued.

At the time I thought that the process of blending the light bodies was so important that our sexual energies were being manipulated to drive the blending process.

I once asked a small group of women whether they had ever woken in the night and had energetic half-asleep sex with their partner. Most of them had - and remembered the incidents as being strange.

[elijah]

We tend to think of lust as being a crude impulse. How then can be lust be so discriminating as to focus on a single person or object?

when the impulse the human is going after is one sided or unbalanced
lust can cause certain emotional hooks that form a illusory process of yearning for a fixed object or person ....if lust is controlled and properly transmuted in most cases love will blossom and great things can be created...



Is lust the lower expression of some more refined impulse?

I believe so.. when i can keep my lust controlled be it sexual or material
i create healthier less stressful outcomes and relationships...
as lust is in a sense a wish for love even if it is fueled by lower forces...

This forum itself is a representation of a
lustful source...if it disappeared overnight...i would think about it and desire it to come back and quite possibly keep it in memory for a quite some time due to my experiences....

[pointwithinacircle]

Aug 15, 2015 6:19:03 GMT 9.5 paul said:

To address your question "why is lust discriminating?" I would reply "because I take control of it".

I am not sure that is quite correct.

Yes, lust comes from places of which we are not aware.  Perhaps that is why I work so hard to get control of it. 

[paul]

>lust comes from places of which we are not aware.

Exactly the point of the thread. So from what sort of places can lust come? Are there agenda attached?

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> Exactly the point of the thread. So from what sort of places can lust come? Are there agenda attached?

I think the agenda is the perpetuation of the energies at which the lusts vibrate at, it's a battle. This is done consciously by some, but are also unconsciously perpetuated by so many that are slave to the energies.
There are those that choose the inferior path, even knowing the superior path exists.

It doesn't answer why lust is discriminating.

I believe that in the evolution of consciousness the potential of the vehicles for consciousness must necessarily exceed the current level of the operator. Consciousness in their vehicles receive input, the environment rewards them based on their behaviour. Driving forces at the physical level mould the world view, with survival being the strongest of those, and these imprints go deep, in the DNA, this is why family lines have tags they must overcome. Like a fail safe method, the vehicle of the DNA operating at its lowest level must survive and reproduce. Interesting that even in modern man, it seems normal to me that when no other paths in life seem fruitful that the impulse to reproduce, consciously or otherwise, takes over, not to say that is the only reason though.

The unconsciousness of the impulses being rooted in such encodings, supporting the consciousnesses requirement to learn beyond the vehicles current encoding, modifying it as part of the growth process.

In summary the energies of lust can be activated by beings seen or unseen, but only upon aspects of self which have not been outlearned, but when we do, we receive armour as protection against the arrows.

[paul]

Aug 16, 2015 20:48:27 GMT 9.5 @fibonaccimatrix said:

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In summary the energies of lust can be activated by beings seen or unseen, but only upon aspects of self which have not been outlearned, ...

I wonder if both light and dark beings can stimulate human desire and thought.

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Aug 17, 2015 6:14:07 GMT 9.5 paul said:

Aug 16, 2015 20:48:27 GMT 9.5 @fibonaccimatrix said:

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In summary the energies of lust can be activated by beings seen or unseen, but only upon aspects of self which have not been outlearned, ...

I wonder if both light and dark beings can stimulate human desire and thought.

I feel sure that is the case. Stimulated is a better choice of word than activated, I was unhappy with it at the time of posting but could not think of a better one. I find it an interesting thought then, do dark beings do it for their own benefit, and light beings for the benefit of the receiver and therefore for all? It seems down to the individual to grow from either form of stimulation.

[paul]

>I find it an interesting thought then, do dark beings do it for their own benefit, and light beings for the benefit of the receiver and therefore for all?

Thus we get to the core of the original question: Is there sometimes a higher purpose to lust?

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Aug 17, 2015 7:17:27 GMT 9.5 paul said:

>I find it an interesting thought then, do dark beings do it for their own benefit, and light beings for the benefit of the receiver and therefore for all?

Thus we get to the core of the original question: Is there sometimes a higher purpose to lust?

For sure!

[elijah]

Is there sometimes a higher purpose to lust?

I see it as learning to love while exercising discipline over the senses ...
lust can cause life changing events for alot of party's involved if one chooses to correct there out of control desires they will evolve into grander states of awareness....

also i believe dark beings feed off the lust to experience vicariously threw the human
no matter if its to there detriment and eventual suffering ....

can it be the light beings allow the human to lust and experience the carnal pleasures
but if or when the human gains the awareness that a lustful elemental is taking effect
the light being guides us threw internal dialogue to obtain control over the elemental...

[paul]

>can it be the light beings allow the human to lust and experience the carnal pleasures
but if or when the human gains the awareness

Or that there are more levels of existence active than appear to the dense human