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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 8:03:45 GMT 9.5
When I read that term 'supernatural powers' I was taken back to my youth when I was taught theology for an hour each school day.
Back then there was a very clear distinction between the nature of the human and those events/capacities beyond (super) that nature.
I do not see such a clear distinction any more and do not see it much in the writings or conversations of others.
So what powers that can be observed in humans would we consider to be supernatural?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 9:19:26 GMT 9.5
There are those stories one reads about in the newspapers about mothers finding the strength to lift cars of their child etc. The rescue crews usually describe these happenings as beyond natural.
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 9:27:51 GMT 9.5
Such events are sufficiently common that there is even a TV series "Human Body: Pushing the Limits" www.imdb.com/title/tt1197574/So I am not sure that demonstrations of unusual strength is still regarded as supernatural. Also, it has been remarked that moderately sized monkeys are much stronger than large humans, suggesting that there is a great reserve of strength present in the biology. |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 9:44:33 GMT 9.5
I can tickle the cats ear at a distance 'with my mind' and make him react accordingly, but I would think that might be extending the etheric body rather that using any of the higher bodies.
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 9:49:34 GMT 9.5
I notice that when I look at people from a distance they commonly look up to see what is going on. This suggests that the human gaze has power at a distance.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 9:50:49 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 10:02:35 GMT 9.5
Some believed Home was genuine and some not. Here is a list I found of the Holy levitators. Many Catholic saints are reputed to have levitated. For example, the levitation or "flight" as they called it then of St. Theresa was witnissed by 230 Catholic priests. She described the feeling of levitation in her autobiography from 1565. Saint Joseph of Cupertino even levitated in front of Pope Urban VIII. The list of flying saints goes on. Here are some of them:
Saint Alphonsus Liguori
Saint Archangela Girlani
Saint Catherine of Siena
Saint Christina the Astonishing
Blessed Christina von Stommeln
Saint Dunstan
Saint Edmund Rich
Saint Francis of Paola
Saint Francis Fasani
Saint Francis Xavier
Saint Gemma Galgani
Saint Gerard Majella
St. Ignatius Loyola (founder of Jesuit order) is said to have became luminous during levitation.
Saint John Bosco
Saint John Joseph of the Cross
Saint Joseph of Cupertino
Saint Ludgardis of Tongeren
Saint Luke Thaumaturgus
Saint Martin de Porres
Saint Michael Garicoits
Blessed Miguel Pro
Saint Paul of the Cross
Saint Peter Claver
Saint Peter of Alcantara
Saint Philip Neri
Saint Robert de Palentin
Saint Theresa of Avila
Saint Thomas Aquinas Saint Joseph of Cupertino is my favourite.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino |
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 10:04:28 GMT 9.5
I am not so sure that levitation is always supernatural. E.g. the party trick for levitation www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_2969.shtmlAnd in any case, how do we know it is a supernatural power? Traditionally nuns that levitated were sent to remote convents. If it was a power then they could have stopped the levitation and not been sent away. There are several mechanisms for levitation and only some can be classified as a power - even then it may be a second-hand power. Anyway I do not know of any Masons who levitate. |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 10:22:22 GMT 9.5
And how could I forget dear Padre Pio.. Levitation was just one of his many supernatural abilities. A true saint of our time.  After further consideration of Padre Pio's virtues and ability to do good even after his death, including discussion of another healing attributed to his intercession, the Pope declared Padre Pio a saint on 16 June 2002.[29] Three hundred thousand people were estimated to have attended the canonization ceremony. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padre_Pio |
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Post by tamrin on Sept 15, 2011 13:09:33 GMT 9.5
And how could I forget dear Padre Pio..
Levitation was just one of his many supernatural abilities.
A true saint of our time.
After further consideration of Padre Pio's virtues and ability to do good even after his death, including discussion of another healing attributed to his intercession, the Pope declared Padre Pio a saint on 16 June 2002.[29] Three hundred thousand people were estimated to have attended the canonization ceremony.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padre_Pio Aaah! Faith truly does provide its own miracles. From your own link above (thank you), we read: And the critique goes on (read for yourselves). |
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 13:10:56 GMT 9.5
Have we run out of supernatural powers then?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 15, 2011 13:12:02 GMT 9.5
Have we run out of supernatural powers then? By definition. |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 13:52:39 GMT 9.5
Then the Vatican got it wrong when they made him a saint, despite the rigorous program they have to go through before reaching that stage. Sssh, don't tell the Pope. I trust friar, physician and psychologist Agostino Gemelli is not aniticpating sainthood himself  |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 13:54:14 GMT 9.5
I guess we could address acknowledged miracles under this heading.
The group sighting of the sun doing extraordinary things at Lourdes springs to mind.
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 13:59:22 GMT 9.5
miracle, from L. miraculum "object of wonder"
Certainly the sun dancing might be an object of wonder, but I don't know that any supernatural force was involved.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 15:19:54 GMT 9.5
Demons?
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 15, 2011 15:27:45 GMT 9.5
Some may say that me being able to identify several issues of approaching importance to ugle, writing to ugle with them, and offering solutions, which appear to then coincidentally have been implemented in grand master speeches and in policy and procedural changes is supernatural  ;D Actually anyone in ugle who has access to my letters to the grand secretary etc can confirm the timeline between my letters and subsequent policy changes, grand master speeches etc. You should be able to find at least three instances. The question is this great minds thinking alike or fools never differing? ;D |
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 15:30:10 GMT 9.5
Well we know the sun did not actually move otherwise all the planets would have had disturbed orbits. Thus we must look to a localised visual event - partially blocking the sun Or a psychological event of mass illusion. |
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Post by paul on Sept 15, 2011 15:32:07 GMT 9.5
... The question is this great minds thinking alike or fools never differing? .. or a greater mind encouraging lesser human minds |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 15, 2011 16:33:58 GMT 9.5
Do you think that the last post in The Mystery of Numbers thread might be pertinent to this idea?
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;D