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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2011 8:35:17 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Nov 4, 2011 9:03:03 GMT 9.5
Goodness, a lot of reading there.. will have to go into that in depth a little later. In the meantime, I am inclined to believe that the word Light should be taken more literally than it is by Freemasons, and others. We hear about all those near death experience people talking about the Light at the end of the tunnel... and the overwhelming feeling of Love that they felt and which was associated with that Light. We read stories in the Bible about the disciples seeing Jesus enveloped in Light. What are haloes? (Most people can see haloes around heads if they pay attention to it) Who are the Shining Ones. Why are angels depicted as Light beings. I think it is all a matter of vibration. When we or someone else lifts our spirit we become light hearted... When we raise our selves up vibrationally we become Light Hearted, Love itself? Experimenting once with binaural sound (brings right brain/left brain function into sync) I found myself in the midst of the most wonderful golden white light .. the light field was so vast that I felt like a grain of sand - AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL! Unfortunately I only had time to think that and I was back to normal. I have never been able to repeat the experience. Having written this now, I will be interested to see if your links can throw some light on the subjects  |
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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2011 9:10:31 GMT 9.5
The question has at least two levels: conceptual & experiential
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Post by LorrB on Nov 4, 2011 9:12:17 GMT 9.5
Light is exciting.
Royal Arch. Light is unbearable?
The Great Lights descend as the lesser lights ascend... Reminds me of Jacobs Ladder.
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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2011 9:14:47 GMT 9.5
What then is Masonic Light?
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Post by tamrin on Nov 4, 2011 18:32:08 GMT 9.5
What then is Masonic Light? The ritual clearly specifies what is meant by "light" in the context of Freemasonry:... [It is] the symbol of Truth and Knowledge, a fact of which we must never lose sight, when we consider the nature and significance of Masonic Light. This meaning is consistent and unambiguous throughout all Grades in all Orders. |
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Post by paul on Nov 4, 2011 20:17:29 GMT 9.5
Many have seen spiritual light - including St Paul.
Is Masonic Light however purely symbolic - never to be seen?
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Post by stewartedwards on Nov 4, 2011 22:06:12 GMT 9.5
Tamrin here is one for you to debunk from one of your own amity brothers
And on the front cover the sub title
Robert Lomas "The Lost Key" 2011. The bloke even has a science/engineering PHd to his name.
Robert if you are reading this, I did not realise that you were from "that" lodge (read his book to see which one) but it is so obvious, for its reputation does stretch far, even having on occassion been mentioned in passing to me. I dont know if we have communicated on the web or not, but even from reading the first few pages, part of me wishes that you had published this a decade ago for it would have helped me on my journey, but equally I am glad that you chose now, as I do need to refind my faith in ugle (and amity), something that your brothers have slowly destroyed. And Robert your words have put a brick back in the wall of faith in ugle so thank you.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 5, 2011 16:40:24 GMT 9.5
Stewart, there is nothing peculiar about a blind person declaring they “see” something when a truth becomes clear to them. Similarly, we speak of being enlightened when we comprehend certain moral truths, or we speak of particular explanations as being particularly illuminating. These usages are not so much allegories as they are straightforward, common expressions.
Masonic Light is likewise to be understood (the ritual is emphatic on this point). Thus, after the quote above, in which Masonic Light is said to be the symbol of Truth and Knowledge, the ritual goes on to say:
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Post by paul on Nov 5, 2011 16:57:06 GMT 9.5
If the only Light offered by Masonry is intellectual illumination, then there are better places to find it than Masonry.
If so, Masonic Light is not Masonic after all.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 6, 2011 7:16:42 GMT 9.5
If the only Light offered by Masonry is intellectual illumination, then there are better places to find it than Masonry.
If so, Masonic Light is not Masonic after all. You perhaps need to ask yourself, "What is Freemasonry?" On any other Masonic forum that would suffice; Here I had better explain that it is, "A peculiar system of morality..." Thus, Masonic Light illuminates that moral system peculiar (i.e., unique) among Freemasons. |
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Post by paul on Nov 6, 2011 7:55:40 GMT 9.5
So is Masonic Light not the same as intellectual illumination after all?
What then is it?
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Post by tamrin on Nov 6, 2011 9:14:04 GMT 9.5
So is Masonic Light not the same as intellectual illumination after all?
What then is it? Sheesh!  Moral AND intellectual illumination  Perhaps you need to put your idiosyncratic preconceptions aside, undergo the degrees again and this time PAY ATTENTION! |
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Post by paul on Nov 6, 2011 10:14:35 GMT 9.5
I think I will stick with the Diamond Light of the Buddha and the Light of the World. There seems to be more depth to those.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 6, 2011 14:49:21 GMT 9.5
I think I will stick with the Diamond Light of the Buddha and the Light of the World. There seems to be more depth to those. Stick with what you will. But do not pretend your vain pretensions have anything to do with the Western Mystery Traditions, let alone with Freemasonry. Above all, do not publish such pretensions as a Freemason under the banner of Freemasonry. |
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Post by stewartedwards on Nov 6, 2011 18:26:34 GMT 9.5
Tamrin
I am a little confused by your response to Paul compared to your response re my post quoting Robert Lomas [holder of a science PHD and UGLE mason from a well regarded lodge], new recently published book confirming that freemasonry offers "the awakening of supernatural abilities".
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 0:20:21 GMT 9.5
Tamrin
I am a little confused by your response to Paul compared to your response re my post quoting Robert Lomas [holder of a science PHD and UGLE mason from a well regarded lodge], new recently published book confirming that freemasonry offers "the awakening of supernatural abilities". In what sense are you confused? I am not aware of having responded at all to your mention of Lomas (because you said nothing of substance about what he was claiming). To what "supernatural abilities" does Robert Lomas refer? In what way does he "confirm" such abilities? |
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Post by stewart edwards on Nov 7, 2011 0:47:36 GMT 9.5
Tamrin
I am a little confused by your response to Paul compared to your response re my post quoting Robert Lomas [holder of a science PHD and UGLE mason from a well regarded lodge], new recently published book confirming that freemasonry offers "the awakening of supernatural abilities". In what sense are you confused? I am not aware of having responded at all to your mention of Lomas (because you said nothing of substance about what he was claiming). To what "supernatural abilities" does Robert Lomas refer? In what way does he "confirm" such abilities? As he has just published this book Tamrin you will have to read it for yourself. My point was that he was publicly writing about the "supernatural secrets" (his words) of the masons, and he is one of yours fraternity wise. Just wondering if you are giving him the same treatment you give Paul. |
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 1:38:19 GMT 9.5
In what sense are you confused? I am not aware of having responded at all to your mention of Lomas (because you said nothing of substance about what he was claiming).
To what "supernatural abilities" does Robert Lomas refer? In what way does he "confirm" such abilities?
As he has just published this book Tamrin you will have to read it for yourself. My point was that he was publicly writing about the "supernatural secrets" (his words) of the masons, and he is one of yours fraternity wise.
Just wondering if you are giving him the same treatment you give Paul.Stewart, I do not "have" to do anything. I have already read a couple of his books and have not been impressed (his work is already being dealt with by others). I do not intend to waste any more money. You have raised the topic and you either know what he means by "supernatural secrets" or you do not (you would not be violating copyright with a summation here). For all I know the term may simply be an instance of hyperbole (as is his wont) for something like moral and intellectual illumination. I do not intend following you on yet another wild goose (or telepathic dog) chase. If you have something of substance to say do so and cite your source. |
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Post by stewart edwards on Nov 7, 2011 3:38:46 GMT 9.5
If you have something of substance to say do so and cite your source. Just curious if you were going to treat Paul fairly with Robert. Anyhow as you ask, from the cover blurb (inside), from the source cited above  All form an UGLE mason who has a science pHD ;D |
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