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Post by paul on Oct 31, 2011 12:47:11 GMT 9.5
The traditional histories of many native peoples state that they are descended from peoples who came from the stars.
For example, in the Old Testament the sons of the gods took the daughters of men as their wives.
If so, much of the human race is alien to the planet. (This might explain why human eyes have apparently evolved not to work well either in full sun and full night as experienced om Earth)
Why then is there so much angst about the idea that there might be alien visitors to Earth?
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Post by LorrB on Oct 31, 2011 13:34:55 GMT 9.5
Fear of the unknown.
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Post by paul on Oct 31, 2011 14:33:51 GMT 9.5
European explorers actively sought the unknown - but they had faith in their superior knowledge and technology. Humans like to be at the top of the heap.
I suspect the concern about aliens is that humans may turn out to be property - even perhaps farmed like free range chickens.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 31, 2011 17:27:58 GMT 9.5
1. I have often philosophised about there being galactic supermarkets with chicken, beef, human, pork, turkey in the chilled cabinets!!
2. The trouble with over reliance on technology is what do you do when it inevitably breaks down? Also just look at how we (European) explorers treated the natives of America. Not very nicely. Still the shoe is now on the other foot with the rise of China et all.
3. What suprises me most is how the slow moving vatican can acknowledge the possibility of alien life, and include it within its "acceptance" more readily than many vocal people (though clearly with the sheer number of freedom of information requests at least in the UK re ufos (most asked for item from government files) and allegedly on the internet (comes closely after sex and porn allegedly) then many people do appear to have an interest.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 1, 2011 12:09:45 GMT 9.5
Why then is there so much angst about the idea that there might be alien visitors to Earth? I suggest you are confusing rational doubt with angst.
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Post by paul on Nov 1, 2011 12:21:52 GMT 9.5
I wonder if the absolute rejection of alien visitation is entirely a demonstration of doubt. Surely doubt would look at a range of options.
For example, there may be some reality behind the traditional histories of nations around the world claiming descent from star peoples.
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Post by Henka on Nov 1, 2011 13:24:36 GMT 9.5
For example, there may be some reality behind the traditional histories of nations around the world claiming descent from star peoples. On the other hand, it could be mythology.
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Post by paul on Nov 1, 2011 13:59:26 GMT 9.5
Is the term "mythology" an academic label (first used in the 18th century) to allow traditional histories to be disregarded?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 1, 2011 15:35:46 GMT 9.5
"could" be mythology ... you 'could' be right. However, Troy is no longer a myth. Funny how many temples are built on the foundations of previous temples; places where Gods spoke to the prophets. Long before the Romans conquered the site and built their enormous temple of Jupiter, long even before the Phoenicians constructed a temple to the god Baal, there stood at Baalbek the largest stone block construction found in the entire world sacredsites.com/middle_east/lebanon/baalbek.html
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Post by tamrin on Nov 1, 2011 19:27:38 GMT 9.5
Why then is there so much angst about the idea that there might be alien visitors to Earth? Speaking for myself, there is no angst. While I would not say I absolutely reject the possibility, its not on my radar: I'd say that childhood fears of monsters in cupboards and under beds are more likely to be true.
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Post by stewart edwards on Nov 1, 2011 21:41:45 GMT 9.5
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Post by Henka on Nov 1, 2011 23:21:05 GMT 9.5
Is the term "mythology" an academic label (first used in the 18th century) to allow traditional histories to be disregarded? Not necessarily. Any belief system is a mythology, including the Judeo/Christian/Islamic paradigm. Something don't have to be factual to convey truth.
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Post by stewartedwards on Nov 2, 2011 7:26:43 GMT 9.5
something don't have to be factual to convey truth. Indeed, as proven in the world of scientific paradigms, which as I understand them are in essense imaginary frameworks that help you conceptualise, and make sense of what you know from scientific testing. I am reminded about Jules Vernes lost novel, "Paris in the 20th Century" which was written in the 19th century and it went unpublished as it was considerd impossible science fiction nonsense. Yet 100 years later those street lights and fax machines etc appeared just as Vernes had imagined. Never underestimate the power of immagination, for without it we would not have traversead the oceans, gone into space, created vaccines, built empires, enjoyed dinner with aliens, gained an understanding that the oceans are not one mass of water but different flows each with their own signature flowing past and around each other like rivers. (sorry couldnt help myself ;D).
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Post by paul on Nov 2, 2011 9:12:12 GMT 9.5
Given the wide spread tradition that humans are descended from (sons of) the gods, I come to the question:
- Are humans the aliens on Earth?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 2, 2011 12:15:54 GMT 9.5
Hybrids? Could be.
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
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Post by Henka on Nov 2, 2011 12:50:54 GMT 9.5
who said we evolved from monkeys? Not Darwin.
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Post by paul on Nov 2, 2011 13:13:57 GMT 9.5
I think that posters here agree that humans are not evolved from monkeys.
So did humans evolve at all?
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Post by stewart edwards on Nov 2, 2011 17:22:07 GMT 9.5
So did humans evolve at all? I think that the 20th Century shows a lot of human evolution. For example:- Mainland European countries went to war a lot in the first half, but since the end of ww2 have learnt to put their political, religious, social, economic, cultural differences to one side and learnt to work together for the common good. Tolerantly accepting and valuing national differences. OK Europe has its problems today with the euro, but that is being sorted, even if it does result in a 2 tier union. But the euro countries are still seeing the benefits of working together, even if many in England want out (yet Scotland wants in Europe even after independence from England).
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Post by stewart edwards on Nov 2, 2011 17:24:29 GMT 9.5
The trouble with replying without logging in is that you cant change mistakes.
Clearly England is not in the Euro, but is in the European Union.
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Post by paul on Nov 2, 2011 19:21:10 GMT 9.5
That may show evolution of society. It is not so clear that it shows evolution of humans.
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